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Post by rogerspacem on Jun 2, 2016 16:27:14 GMT -6
Ok so their mastery adds up..... That is a big part of what I was not getting. Should have stuck with Necrons, this psyker stuff seems needlessly complicated, but I assume I'll get used to it. I'll admit it's a lot to take in, especially when you never use psychics before. Don't worry though after many trials and errors you'll get it! |
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Post by 1D3chan on Jun 2, 2016 17:33:40 GMT -6
Ok so their mastery adds up..... That is a big part of what I was not getting. Should have stuck with Necrons, this psyker stuff seems needlessly complicated, but I assume I'll get used to it. To be quite honest, your army in particular is not really at much of a disadvantage if you choose not to include psykers in it. Orks don't depend on it as much as other factions and don't have access to any really good shit (surprise). Necrons, DEldar, Tau, Khorne, Sisters all get along fine without Psychic. Astra Militarum and Orks easily can as well, even though they have limited access to it. |
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Post by doubleback on Jun 2, 2016 19:51:53 GMT -6
I actually am using one solely for narrative purposes in the campaign...if not for that I would just as soon never use one. In this army if it can't assault then it can go to hell.
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jun 17, 2016 14:13:40 GMT -6
On the topic of psykers, I have some questions about the Librarius Conclave (Marine Formation).
First of all, lets say I have 2 lv1 and 1 lv2 librarians within 12" of each other. If I nominate the level 2 psyker for the special rule, do the mastery levels of the psykers combine? So is he able to cast 4 powers (2+1+1) or just 2 because he is a level 2?
(Because what good is a 2+ warp charge if you can't cast any other powers?)
Question 2: Even though embarked psykers aren't able to cast powers, can they participate in the Conclave special rule?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 14:22:13 GMT -6
I believe you are able to cast each power you know once, regardless of mastery level.
As for the transport, that isn't really clear. If you follow the example GW has put forth in the recent FAQs it seems that they are saying model in transports don't exist on the table, so itd be a no. It's ambiguous however.
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jun 17, 2016 14:31:02 GMT -6
I believe you are able to cast each power you know once, regardless of mastery level. That's what I thought! But somebody I played told me that it was N=mastery level... I trust your answer more though. So a level 1 librarian knows and can cast 2 powers including the primaris power, right? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 15:21:39 GMT -6
Actually, a level one librarian is capable of manifesting three powers in a turn (The Primaris, Force, and w/e power they rolled). The only restriction is that you must have dice left to attempt a roll and cannot attempt to manifest the same power twice.
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jun 17, 2016 15:26:36 GMT -6
Just read the FAQ on the Psychic Phase: It says: "Q: Is the maximum number of powers a Psyker can use in their turn equal to their Mastery Level, or the number of powers they have (due to Psychic Focus they often have one more power than their Mastery Level)? A: Unless explicitly permitted to do so, Psykers may not attempt to manifest more psychic powers than the number of their Mastery Level within a single Psychic phase." So a psyker can only cast their mastery level worth of powers. So, this seems to imply that the answer to my question is no, the a lv2 psyker in a Conclave can only cast 2 powers. Which kind of nerfs that power. It's already pretty disadvantageous to keep multiple psykers within 12" of each other. So basically we are allowed to cast 2 powers at a 2+, but we are only able to cast 2 powers... Seems that there isn't much of a point to the Conclave... It's a huge tax. www.facebook.com/1575682476085719/photos/a.1576243776029589.1073741828.1575682476085719/1610526769267956/?type=3&theater |
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Post by Asyrean on Jun 17, 2016 15:53:40 GMT -6
I'll chime in and sorry, I have to be a Debby Downer. Per the rule book on pg 22, it says (in bold) "The number of psychic powers a Psyker can use each turn depends on his Mastery Level" So, this would mean (RAW) a level 2 psyker could only cast 2 spells, even though he might know 4 spells (2 spells from a given discipline, 1 primaris and Force)
I only chime in cause I've been burnt by that, and then noticed that it seems to be pretty clear in the rule book. Also, I believe (without checking) this is asked and verified in the FAQ that GW put out as well.
Edit: I see you guys found the FAQ i was referring too. I thought I remembered seeing that in there.
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jun 17, 2016 16:45:31 GMT -6
Yep, looks like you're right on the powers per turn. But I feel like gw messed up the librarius wording and they didn't address it in the faq. Being able to only cast 2 powers defeats the point of being able to cast on a 2+. You end up with a bunch of unused psychic dice...
Edit: only real benefit I see is avoiding perils
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Post by Asyrean on Jun 17, 2016 17:09:16 GMT -6
Yep, looks like you're right on the powers per turn. But I feel like gw messed up the librarius wording and they didn't address it in the faq. Being able to only cast 2 powers defeats the point of being able to cast on a 2+. You end up with a bunch of unused psychic dice... Edit: only real benefit I see is avoiding perils That may be. But there is the benefit of more or less guaranteeing you get the spell you want (invisibility) and guaranteeing you get it cast with the minimum amount of risk (2+) dice. So yah, the conclave is only casting 2 spells, but you're more or less guaranteed to get them off. Lastly, take Tiggy and you have 3 spells you can cast! edit: and it's possible you don't waste dice if you have additional psykers outside of the conclave. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2016 12:31:08 GMT -6
Hmm,seems like that may be an often over-looked rule then. Ive never seen it Come up at the competitive level. Good to know though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 11:03:41 GMT -6
Ah, I looked into it a little more and its not worded very well in the BRB (imagine that) leading people to read it both ways. The ITC, ETC, and several other big tournaments ruled that the powers per turn = the mastery level so that is probably the way to go. My apologies on the misinformation.
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Sept 16, 2016 10:54:17 GMT -6
Another question about two-handed weapons. Can I equip them even if I have another 1-handed weapon/item equipped? For instance, giving a relic blade to an Honour Guard with a banner or a Vanguard vet sergeant with storm shield.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 10:57:47 GMT -6
Another question about two-handed weapons. Can I equip them even if I have another 1-handed weapon/item equipped? For instance, giving a relic blade to an Honour Guard with a banner or a Vanguard vet sergeant with storm shield. Storm shields actually do not take up a "hand" in combat. Instead, the rules for both the Storm Shield and the Relic Blade prohibit you from gaining an extra attack for two weapons. So in short, you can take a Relic Blade and a Storm Shield without any problems. You'd have to look at the wording on the banner guy, but it should be no problem. The Honor Guard would just not gain an extra attack for having two weapons. |
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