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Post by doubleback on Feb 14, 2016 12:55:50 GMT -6
We've got a lot of new guys here's a if they are like me they barely understand what's going on, so let's have you vets answer our questions. There are no stupid questions, only stupid newbs.
I'll start:
Can in IC join a unit of beasts? Specifically can a join a lord to a canoptek harvest?
Does a vehicle get cover behind troops? Is there any advantage to putting them back other than range and assault safety?
Unstupid me!
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Post by Nick P on Feb 14, 2016 14:25:19 GMT -6
Yes ICs can join beasts - any unit that isn't a MC or GMC or a vehicle unless specifically noted. The catch is that you can only move as fast as the slowest model in your unit, so if you throw a Lord in with your wraiths, you're only moving 6" instead of the 12" for being beasts.
And yes vehicles can get cover from other units just like anything else. Intervening models grant a 5+ cover save.
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Post by Dan K on Feb 14, 2016 18:29:05 GMT -6
I'll add a few things. If a canoptek harvest is not a unit but a formation, so no a lord cannot join that. The lord could join any unit in the formation though so long as that unit is not a MC or a vehicle. more later when I remember
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Feb 15, 2016 7:21:05 GMT -6
I think Vehicles still follow the % rules for cover. They don't get Area Terrain or anything. As long as the models are high enough, they could get a cover save, but not an intervening model one. I think it'd be 4+. Or did all that change?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 7:32:37 GMT -6
I think Vehicles still follow the % rules for cover. They don't get Area Terrain or anything. As long as the models are high enough, they could get a cover save, but not an intervening model one. I think it'd be 4+. Or did all that change? As far as I know without the CRB in front of me, in 7th all intervening cover is just a 5+.
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Post by Nick P on Feb 15, 2016 8:47:16 GMT -6
I think Vehicles still follow the % rules for cover. They don't get Area Terrain or anything. As long as the models are high enough, they could get a cover save, but not an intervening model one. I think it'd be 4+. Or did all that change? Yeah what will said; they got rid of the "hull down/obscured" and percentages for vehicle cover; now its just if its behind cover or area terrain, 5+ as standard. Although in 8th, I hope they create a new subset where if you pass a cover save for intervening models, they have to take the wound lol would make things a bit more interesting
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Post by Nick P on Feb 15, 2016 8:49:19 GMT -6
If a canoptek harvest is not a unit but a formation, so no a lord cannot join that. Yeah this is a good distinction; the Canoptek Harvest is a formation, not a unit - so the lord can join the wraith unit from the formation, but he can't join the spider or the swarms (iirc, swarms also prevent ICs from joining). He also wouldn't benefit from the special rules of the formation, ie he wouldn't get the special rule from the Spider every turn, but since you're going to be using Reanimation Protocols 99.99% of the time and he already has it, it shouldn't matter.
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Post by Dan K on Feb 15, 2016 9:16:35 GMT -6
I think Vehicles still follow the % rules for cover. They don't get Area Terrain or anything. As long as the models are high enough, they could get a cover save, but not an intervening model one. I think it'd be 4+. Or did all that change? Yeah what will said; they got rid of the "hull down/obscured" and percentages for vehicle cover; now its just if its behind cover or area terrain, 5+ as standard. Although in 8th, I hope they create a new subset where if you pass a cover save for intervening models, they have to take the wound lol would make things a bit more interesting Its always been described to me not as you hit the other squad but rather that because there is shit in the way its difficult to aim and you missed everything
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Post by doubleback on Feb 16, 2016 11:18:11 GMT -6
What if I hide a vehicle behind another equally large vehicle?
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Post by doubleback on Feb 16, 2016 11:18:55 GMT -6
Also....how does jump infantry work?
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Post by Nick P on Feb 16, 2016 12:27:26 GMT -6
What if I hide a vehicle behind another equally large vehicle? Same as above; if there is any kind of intervening model, what so ever, you get a 5+ cover save. As for your Jump Infantry question - that's in the rulebook, under Jump Infantry, but the short answer is they move 12" instead of 6", and can move over other models/terrain. They have to take dangerous terrain tests if they land in terrain though, and also have hammer of wrath.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 13:08:13 GMT -6
Also....how does jump infantry work? In addition to what Nick said they also have the Deepstrike rule which provides them another means to arrive from reserve. The rules for deepstriking can be found in the CRB.
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Feb 16, 2016 13:53:53 GMT -6
They also only get Hammer of Wrath if the didn't move 12" in the movement phase.
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Feb 16, 2016 13:54:09 GMT -6
god how the fuck do they work
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Post by Nick P on Feb 16, 2016 14:54:54 GMT -6
They also only get Hammer of Wrath if the didn't move 12" in the movement phase. I think 7th changed that; by my understanding, they just have the Hammer of Wrath rule, the disclaimer in the Jump Infantry unit type that said they only get it if they don't use them in the movement phase was removed...I think.
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