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Post by Russell on Jun 1, 2016 16:24:20 GMT -6
It was blatantly advertised as if they were battle-brothers. Out of curiosity, where does it say this?
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jun 1, 2016 16:26:16 GMT -6
Will, the two other issues are: 1. Shadow in the warp: Both the Patriarch and Magus get -2 leadership 2. Infiltrate: Both the Cult and Nids treat each other as enemies, so they can't infiltrate within 18" of each other as well as their opponents.
But yeah, invisible flyrant is totally cheese.
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jun 1, 2016 16:33:26 GMT -6
It was blatantly advertised as if they were battle-brothers. Out of curiosity, where does it say this? I am having trouble posting an image. www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/03/40k-rules-conundrum-the-genestealer-cult-allies-puzzle.htmlIn there, it says "Genestealer Cults ally the same way as Tyranids". That's from the White Dwarf that contains the cult rules. I guess it isn't "blatant" so excuse my exaggeration there. But it read to me like they ally the same way with other, non-tyranid factions.
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Post by Russell on Jun 1, 2016 16:44:27 GMT -6
Gotcha, thanks for digging that up. It does seem a little misleading, but I don't really disagree with the ruling. It would have been cool to have them be battle brothers.
Since I don't play with allies (I personally hate the rule), I wouldn't be cool with someone changing the allies table. If that precludes me getting a game in with someone, well that's super unfortunate.
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jun 1, 2016 17:09:37 GMT -6
On a slightly more general note, all of these FAQs seem to be labeled as "drafts". Does that mean that GW is planning on changing them in the near future? Does anyone know what GWs plans are for the FAQs?
Oh and I'll definitely play with anyone, I just won't use gsc haha.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 17:10:28 GMT -6
Yeah, they are not finalized yet. They were asking for community feedback before making them official.
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Post by 1D3chan on Jun 1, 2016 22:03:09 GMT -6
Cool and my wraithknight counts as a Dark Eldar LoW too That's cool but he's T6 with a 5+ and he snap-shoots when he jinks (he can jink)
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Post by 1D3chan on Jun 1, 2016 23:43:41 GMT -6
I have to admit, I'm a little confused by the backlash of the GSC ruling, mainly because it still remains so formidable. My two cents is that the formation for GSC by itself is absolutely devastatingly powerful. It's a very realistic crippling counter to many high tier shooting armies in the game, mine being one of the most vulnerable easily. I have to 100% change my entire strategy from deployment onward if I know my opponent has the ability to T1 Charge, or I have to be prepared to likely give up a unit. This will be the case no matter what kind of ally they are. This is a good thing for the game.
T1 Charges are insanely good against armies where you are in control of what that charge is, and 99% of the time you will be because of the few formations/units that can do it. It's got the same odds of an absolute wipe out that hitting a unit with D-Flamers on T1 would have;, almost guaranteed to wipe it out. A unit of pathfinders or scatterbikes or wraithguard or probably even a ghostkeel, maybe devs or centurions, maybe vehicle squadrons, are going to get wiped out by a T1 Charge from Wulfen, Raven Guard Veterans with power weapons/fists, Assault marines with 4-5 attacks or a GSC Nid Orgy unit. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, it's a good thing for those units to have hard counters, it makes the Eldar and Tau player have to deviate from the norm to deal with it, which again is awesome for the game.
Will and I had a great game the other day. I don't remember what unit on Will's team did it, but T1 my Warlord and Retinue got erased from a T1 Charge from Raven Guard tactics and it was pretty statistically carved in stone as well, the only thing that would have saved them would have been a bad scatter. The GSC doesn't even have to worry about that. Anytime you eliminate chance in 40K, it becomes that much more powerful.
More of a thought-vomit but tl;dr the GSC is a very powerful asset to a Tyranid Army as it stands regardless of Allies,
Also, allies do kind of suck.
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Post by Russell on Jun 2, 2016 0:05:04 GMT -6
Also, allies do kind of suck.
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Post by 1D3chan on Jun 2, 2016 0:52:22 GMT -6
Will, the two other issues are: 1. Shadow in the warp: Both the Patriarch and Magus get -2 leadership 2. Infiltrate: Both the Cult and Nids treat each other as enemies, so they can't infiltrate within 18" of each other as well as their opponents. But yeah, invisible flyrant is totally cheese. They don't need to be 18" away from their opponents. They can be 1" away no matter what. LoS be damned
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Post by Craig on Jun 2, 2016 6:03:18 GMT -6
Only the 2 purestrain GS and Patriarch can infiltrate up to 1". All others are standard 12-18". This makes them a turn 2 threat to charge. The formation is supposed to be great for board control and holding objectives early; not turn 1 charges. This is why the AoC nerds them so bad because it will take some of our flexibility in deployment away.
I could honestly care less about invisibility; I just wanted to be able to interact the GSC ICs with my tyranids. I.e. 25 Genestealers outflanking with the patriarch or the Magnus with a brood of Zoanthropes. Can't be done now.
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Post by Nick P on Jun 2, 2016 7:09:34 GMT -6
Sorry to sound so pessimistic, and I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but Tyranids are pretty limited and now this formation just sucks. Dude I also play Nids, I have like 7000 points. I have a blast with them - they aren't tournament winners, but if you're sole focus is playing a tournament winning army then you picked wrong. They have a ton of diversity, a truly alien playstyle compared to the rest of the armies out there, and in my opinion the best models in the game. Don't buy flyrants if you don't want to play them, no one can tell you what to do. Play how you want, this is a game, its meant to be fun. That said, this was NEVER advertised as "battle brothers" for tyranids. They even used a different faction symbol on the dataslates and formations, if anything signaling that these were not tyranids in any way. These models were produced for a board game - and GW decided to give them dataslates for use in 40k as well, to give them more utility. Nothing was promised to boost nids, and its clear they didn't spend a ton of time planning out the formation rules and dataslate rules.
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Post by Nick P on Jun 2, 2016 7:11:16 GMT -6
"Genestealer Cults ally the same way as Tyranids" Yeah, exactly - they treat everyone as Come The Apocalypse. That's what my take away was, did someone think that meant they would be battle brothers with Nids?
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jun 2, 2016 7:26:58 GMT -6
Sorry to sound so pessimistic, and I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but Tyranids are pretty limited and now this formation just sucks. Dude I also play Nids, I have like 7000 points. I have a blast with them - they aren't tournament winners, but if you're sole focus is playing a tournament winning army then you picked wrong. They have a ton of diversity, a truly alien playstyle compared to the rest of the armies out there, and in my opinion the best models in the game. Don't buy flyrants if you don't want to play them, no one can tell you what to do. Play how you want, this is a game, its meant to be fun. . You're right, you're right. It's really just the internet circle jerk talking. They've been great to play. I need to stay away from The Tyranid Hive blog...
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jun 2, 2016 7:27:18 GMT -6
Sorry to sound so pessimistic, and I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but Tyranids are pretty limited and now this formation just sucks. Dude I also play Nids, I have like 7000 points. I have a blast with them - they aren't tournament winners, but if you're sole focus is playing a tournament winning army then you picked wrong. They have a ton of diversity, a truly alien playstyle compared to the rest of the armies out there, and in my opinion the best models in the game. Don't buy flyrants if you don't want to play them, no one can tell you what to do. Play how you want, this is a game, its meant to be fun. . You're right, you're right. It's really just the internet circle jerk talking. They've been great to play. I need to stay away from The Tyranid Hive blog...
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