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Post by Russell on May 7, 2016 11:48:44 GMT -6
Sounds like the community is in agreement (not just here, but 40k at large) that the grenades decision is lame. With any luck they'll take the feedback and grenades useful in CC again. This will be a nice test to see if they listen to the community and adjust.
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Post by 1D3chan on May 7, 2016 16:18:32 GMT -6
I just built and converted my first squad of swooping hawks too, I am really excited about the models. I'll still try them though, with more flyers being a real possibility now and what not.
They even had their own special rule called 'Intercept' that allowed them to plant haywire grenades on enemy flyers during their *movement* phase if they can manage to move over it. The rule specifies "a model with this rule may make one attack against a Flyer that hits on a 4+ with Str 4 Haywire" and every model in the squad has the rule, but according to the new FAQ - it's a grenade and the movement phase is a phase, so only one attack may be made for the whole squad. Hardly worth the effort, in my opinion.
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Post by Joelercoaster on May 8, 2016 18:15:39 GMT -6
In fairness, I think the above would be treated differently than the standard "use a grenade" rules. Fluffwise it's a grenade-chuck, but if what you wrote is verbatim, it's "an ability" that causes "an effect" and says nothing about using the rules for using/throwing grenades.
I mean, not wanting to be "rules lawyer-y", but it's hard enough to pull off with a 12" move that I don't think it's going to cause too much of a fuss.
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Post by dennish on May 9, 2016 11:47:35 GMT -6
So plasma cannons (and vanquisher leman russ tanks) can't reroll the Gets Hot roll anymore, since it doesn't count as a To Hit rule according to these FAQs. Additionally, my DE Raiders can no longer pivot before moving, as pivot counts as part of the move now! QQ...well poo, u guys just helped me clear this up! Dangit...
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Post by rogerspacem on May 25, 2016 11:05:52 GMT -6
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Post by jefferestinpeace on May 25, 2016 12:25:55 GMT -6
Oof. Allies of Convenience. Fuckers.
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Post by Joelercoaster on May 25, 2016 16:24:43 GMT -6
Good news is, I dont' have to put any effort into either converting, or working to make money for, those models now.
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on May 26, 2016 9:16:00 GMT -6
Bullshit... can we just pretend that they are battle brothers? That's like 1/3 of my army...
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Post by Nick P on May 26, 2016 9:45:04 GMT -6
It can still be 1/3 of your army, you just don't get to join the units together or cast psychic powers on each other. I mean it kinda makes sense - the genestealer cults are an attrition tool by the hive mind to destabilize a planet before they attack...but when they attack, they just eat all the cults along with the defenders of the planet for more biomass, so they don't exactly work together.
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Post by Joelercoaster on May 26, 2016 18:46:47 GMT -6
Yeah, it fits the fluff fairly well, it's just that many, many players were excited to (maybe) finally have Telepathy (read, any "real" psy tree) inside of the Nid army. There's a good bit that would have helped some of the lackluster Nid beasties become usable, at the very least, inside that discipline.
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Post by jefferestinpeace on May 27, 2016 6:10:29 GMT -6
Also, what the fuck GW. Make money, you douchebags.
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Post by Craig on Jun 1, 2016 12:36:45 GMT -6
So I'm hoping to have my GSC completed by July and I plan to run them as battle brothers. Just wanted to throw that out to you all so nobody is caught off guard. When I post for pick-up games Ill be sure to clarify that as well. We aren't running ITC tournaments so I think we can police ourselves when it comes to these FAQ changes.
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Post by Nick P on Jun 1, 2016 14:30:14 GMT -6
Cool and my wraithknight counts as a Dark Eldar LoW too
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jun 1, 2016 16:02:47 GMT -6
That isn't exactly comparable. DE and Eldar are already battle-brothers. (Although I get why you used them, since DE are also considered a lower-tier army.) And sure, fluff is important, but there are plenty of examples where fluff was ignored in making rules or alliances. I'm new to 40k and I'm already sick of having every person advising me to get MOAR FLYRANTS if I don't want to get tabled every game. It's not very fun or interesting. The announcement of Deathwatch Overkill made it seem like Tyranid players were finally getting a nice alternative ally who could give them some additional abilities, especially since the Tyranid psychers are pretty limited with the codex abilities. Lots of us dropped some good money to add interesting, new units to the game. It was blatantly advertised as if they were battle-brothers. Then the formation rules dropped. Most of the units aren't that good or way too small to be effective (ie. TWO PURESTRAIN GENESTEALERS), but the formation itself is pretty solid and the telepathy tree really adds some survivability. Plus, most of us figured that the Patriarch would just join up with a larger unit of Tyranid Genestealers or something. Now that the FAQ dropped, it has practically rendered the formation useless. Not only are we stuck with tiny squads of 2 purestrains and 4 aberrants, but the GSC psychers now suffer from Shadow in the Warp. That is just insane.
Sorry to sound so pessimistic, and I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but Tyranids are pretty limited and now this formation just sucks. So I will also ask to let them be Battle Brothers in friendly games.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 16:07:58 GMT -6
*Disclaimer - I have no preference either way on the cult allies ruling*
That said, is the formation that useless still? Its like 400pts of turn one charges that could tie things up for your bigger bugs, sure you can't make an invisible flyrant any more but that was cheese any way. The psykers dishing out Psychic Shriek with the new-auto hit ruling is pretty good too. All in all, down grading their ally status just prevents you from putting the ICs together, or using the Telepathy buff powers on regular nids. It seems like people are more upset about the fact that its "another hit against nids" then a real loss of mechanical benefit.
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