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Post by dennish on Apr 21, 2016 6:25:56 GMT -6
So, here is another kind of newbish question, actually a couple of different ones.
How does "preferred enemy" impact the following:
1)- Blast Weapons that scatter 2)- Template Weapons
3)- Weapons with the "Get's Hot" Special Rule 4)- Weapons that "Get's Hot" on vehicles, like Leman Russ Executioner Plasmacannon (Blast Plasma)
To 2) - I can say that it of course let's you reroll 1's on wounds, and on 3) - when you make shooting attacks that roll 1's, which would be misses and put the "get's hot" rule in effect, you can re-roll said 1's for another chance to hit, and of course simultaneously, another chance not to blow up in your face.
Now, on point 1) and 4), does "Preferred Enemy" have any impact at all on these type of weapons, other than wounding? I hear and read conflicting things, such as:" Oh Pask gives the Leman Russ Squadron -Preferred Enemy- as warlord trait, so if you take them with Executioners in a squadron (Plasmacannon tanks), you will basically not "Get-Hot" as you can re-roll 1's".. Now, I find this weird, as Plasma weapons on vehicles, Plasma Blasts that is, roll a separate "Get's Hot" test to see if they can fire at all, before they put out blast templates, should they get hot. Is this test considered to be a shooting attack & that is why "Preferred Enemy" get's to work here?
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Post by dennish on Apr 21, 2016 6:31:44 GMT -6
Bleh, I kind of answered myself on 1)...Blast weapons don't roll to hit, they roll 2d6 and scatter die, so "Preferred Enemy" would not come into effect on blast weapons at all, other than wounding.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 7:21:50 GMT -6
Bleh, I kind of answered myself on 1)...Blast weapons don't roll to hit, they roll 2d6 and scatter die, so "Preferred Enemy" would not come into effect on blast weapons at all, other than wounding. That is actually a question that has never been answered by GW. Some tournaments rule that a re-roll of any kind, such as Preferred Enemy, actually does allow you to re-roll the scatter. It just depends where you are playing at. I recommend you either take the conservative approach, no re-rolls, or just discuss it with your opponent before a game.
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Post by Dougtrio on Apr 21, 2016 12:11:07 GMT -6
Here's my interpretation: Preferred enemy is straight forward, reroll 1's to hit and wound. So in all cases with blast and template weapons you're at the very least rerolling 1's to wound. Units that roll standard d6's to hit, and have both preferred enemy and gets hot, may reroll that dreaded 1.
I don't have a rulebook in front of me now, but if I did I'd look up 'blast weapons' for the exact wording of how they hit, and 'gets hot' for the exact wording of how hot blasts work (remember a blast weapon that gets hot may or may not be on a vehicle, and vehicles have that separate glance rule).
My experience is that it's common practice to reroll 1's for gets hot on preferred enemy blast weapons (be it a Leman Russ or a space marine with plasma cannon).
...and I'd go so far as to suggest you could reroll those 1's to position a blast! But I admit that's a stretch and you'd rarely want to do that.
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Post by Dougtrio on Apr 21, 2016 12:25:33 GMT -6
I'm immediately second guessing myself, lookup 'preferred enemy' 'gets hot' maybe 'blast' and 'vehicle'. There you should find your answer!
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Post by Nick P on Apr 21, 2016 15:21:40 GMT -6
"Check the rulebook again" <- Doug
It think its pretty straight forward; you reroll 1s to hit, so if your weapon doesn't roll to hit (blast, template) then that doesn't come into effect normally. And you reroll 1s to wound, which all weapons roll for, so that part they all get.
Under "Gets Hot and Re-Rolls" it mentions that if a model has the ability to re-roll to hit rolls (such as TL or BS6+) it may also reroll the Gets Hot for weapons that do not roll to hit. So I think its pretty clear, you DO get to re-roll the 1s for your preferred enemy Plasma Cannons and Executioners.
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Post by doubleback on Apr 22, 2016 7:09:07 GMT -6
Ok this is more of a community rule question, as I know the technical answer is no. If I were to hypothetically purchase a Morkanaught, but was curious how the different forge word stompas worked, would I be allowed to use that big bastard as a stand in for games so I could effectively try before I buy?
Or, because Orks, can I kit bash the shit out of this thing until none of you have any reasonable idea what in god's name it is, and use it for whatever model I feel like calling it that day?
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Post by rogerspacem on Apr 22, 2016 8:15:42 GMT -6
Ok this is more of a community rule question, as I know the technical answer is no. If I were to hypothetically purchase a Morkanaught, but was curious how the different forge word stompas worked, would I be allowed to use that big bastard as a stand in for games so I could effectively try before I buy? Or, because Orks, can I kit bash the shit out of this thing until none of you have any reasonable idea what in god's name it is, and use it for whatever model I feel like calling it that day? Not certain if you take it to tournaments, but as long as the base and model looks similar (roughly same body size) it should be fine.
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Post by dennish on Apr 22, 2016 8:25:21 GMT -6
"Check the rulebook again" <- Doug It think its pretty straight forward; you reroll 1s to hit, so if your weapon doesn't roll to hit (blast, template) then that doesn't come into effect normally. And you reroll 1s to wound, which all weapons roll for, so that part they all get. Under "Gets Hot and Re-Rolls" it mentions that if a model has the ability to re-roll to hit rolls (such as TL or BS6+) it may also reroll the Gets Hot for weapons that do not roll to hit. So I think its pretty clear, you DO get to re-roll the 1s for your preferred enemy Plasma Cannons and Executioners. Wonderful, I basically jinked myself all this time...lol. For some reason I never took advantage of that rule...oh well. It almost makes it worse to be playing the game for at least 4 editions of rules,...you start mixing stuff up from older books.
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Post by doubleback on Apr 22, 2016 10:30:51 GMT -6
Any tournament that lets me in has far bigger issues to worry about than my special Orrk Stompanaught
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Post by rogerspacem on Apr 22, 2016 10:50:04 GMT -6
NEWBIE QUESTION:
I drew Overwhelming Firepower: Kill one unit in the shooting phase, score 1 point. Kill 3 or more score D3 points.
In my turn: I killed 2 units, and one of which I killed a Independent Character attached to one of the units.
Do I get the D3 points?
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Post by 1D3chan on Apr 22, 2016 10:58:50 GMT -6
NEWBIE QUESTION: I drew Overwhelming Firepower: Kill one unit in the shooting phase, score 1 point. Kill 3 or more score D3 points. In my turn: I killed 2 units, and one of which I killed a Independent Character attached to one of the units. Do I get the D3 points? Yes
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Post by 1D3chan on Apr 22, 2016 11:12:26 GMT -6
Ok this is more of a community rule question, as I know the technical answer is no. If I were to hypothetically purchase a Morkanaught, but was curious how the different forge word stompas worked, would I be allowed to use that big bastard as a stand in for games so I could effectively try before I buy? Or, because Orks, can I kit bash the shit out of this thing until none of you have any reasonable idea what in god's name it is, and use it for whatever model I feel like calling it that day? Under most circumstances, I cannot think of any situation where someone in our immediate gaming circle would care about a proxy... But it's obviously something that you'd need to check with each opponent individually. However, be aware that I'm 99% sure that a Stompa is at least twice the size of a Mork/Gorkanaught model. Just like the smallest Imperial/Eldar Titans are twice the size of their respective codex knights. So your proxy is a bit on the extreme end and you may want to talk about LOS compromises. Basically, he should never not be able to be hit. The size of Forgeworld stuff throws people off sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 11:13:11 GMT -6
NEWBIE QUESTION: I drew Overwhelming Firepower: Kill one unit in the shooting phase, score 1 point. Kill 3 or more score D3 points. In my turn: I killed 2 units, and one of which I killed a Independent Character attached to one of the units. Do I get the D3 points? Independent characters count as a separate unit for purposes of kill point scoring, so yes.
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Post by doubleback on Apr 22, 2016 12:10:09 GMT -6
I am looking more at the forge world stompas, which are like smaller specialized ones, not that huge Titan
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