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Post by 1D3chan on Feb 24, 2016 23:15:59 GMT -6
Ok here is a weird one....could an IC with a jet pack join a group a troops with jump packs without slowing them down? The rules seem to indicate that unless the whole unit "jumps" no one can jump, but a jet pack seems capable of the exact same movements. Or for those of you familiar with Necrons....Can a D-lord roll with Praetorians? I would lean towards that particular combo as being penalized in this way: that combo unit would no longer get to re-roll its charge distance (since your IC Jet Pack Lord cannot do that and being in one unit, they roll the charge together) but probably I'd still think the actual Jump Units could keep Hammer of Wrath. The Jet Pack IC wouldn't get Hammer of Wrath because he doesn't have it of course, but I can't see why the other guys wouldn't get it anymore. This is, of course, after the unit only moves 6" in the movement phase normally as your Jump guys are still activating their Jump Move in the Assault phase (for the above HoW) and your Jet Pack IC can only move 6" in the Movement phase regardless, so in that way you would be slowing them down. The Jet Pack IC also could no longer do a Thrust Move...unless you were going to let him do it while still remaining in squad coherency (like him jumping from the front to the back or something, if his 2D6" allowed it) while the rest of his squad stood still. Just my interpretation without page numbers for now. Interested to hear others thoughts Tricky stuff, I WONDER what you could possibly be scheming for.
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Post by doubleback on Feb 24, 2016 23:45:44 GMT -6
Not much, I don't love that answer
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Post by Nick P on Feb 25, 2016 9:23:25 GMT -6
Ok here is a weird one....could an IC with a jet pack join a group a troops with jump packs without slowing them down? The rules seem to indicate that unless the whole unit "jumps" no one can jump, but a jet pack seems capable of the exact same movements. Or for those of you familiar with Necrons....Can a D-lord roll with Praetorians? I would lean towards that particular combo as being penalized in this way: that combo unit would no longer get to re-roll its charge distance (since your IC Jet Pack Lord cannot do that and being in one unit, they roll the charge together) but probably I'd still think the actual Jump Units could keep Hammer of Wrath. The Jet Pack IC wouldn't get Hammer of Wrath because he doesn't have it of course, but I can't see why the other guys wouldn't get it anymore. This is, of course, after the unit only moves 6" in the movement phase normally as your Jump guys are still activating their Jump Move in the Assault phase (for the above HoW) and your Jet Pack IC can only move 6" in the Movement phase regardless, so in that way you would be slowing them down. The Jet Pack IC also could no longer do a Thrust Move...unless you were going to let him do it while still remaining in squad coherency (like him jumping from the front to the back or something, if his 2D6" allowed it) while the rest of his squad stood still. Just my interpretation without page numbers for now. Interested to hear others thoughts Tricky stuff, I WONDER what you could possibly be scheming for. Ehhh, I don't think this is right. Doesn't the use of the jump pack itself grant hammer of wrath? In that case, you wouldn't get either the reroll or the hammer of wrath, since you have to use your jump packs to get it and you can't use your jump packs if a guy in the unit doesn't have it. But yes, a D-lord can go with praetorians, it just doesn't help anything work particularly well. Both units lose access to both of their sets of special movement rules; its almost like GW did that on purpose to prevent shenanigans that we kept seeing occur in 6th edition
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Post by 1D3chan on Feb 25, 2016 14:24:10 GMT -6
I would lean towards that particular combo as being penalized in this way: that combo unit would no longer get to re-roll its charge distance (since your IC Jet Pack Lord cannot do that and being in one unit, they roll the charge together) but probably I'd still think the actual Jump Units could keep Hammer of Wrath. The Jet Pack IC wouldn't get Hammer of Wrath because he doesn't have it of course, but I can't see why the other guys wouldn't get it anymore. This is, of course, after the unit only moves 6" in the movement phase normally as your Jump guys are still activating their Jump Move in the Assault phase (for the above HoW) and your Jet Pack IC can only move 6" in the Movement phase regardless, so in that way you would be slowing them down. The Jet Pack IC also could no longer do a Thrust Move...unless you were going to let him do it while still remaining in squad coherency (like him jumping from the front to the back or something, if his 2D6" allowed it) while the rest of his squad stood still. Just my interpretation without page numbers for now. Interested to hear others thoughts Tricky stuff, I WONDER what you could possibly be scheming for. Ehhh, I don't think this is right. Doesn't the use of the jump pack itself grant hammer of wrath? In that case, you wouldn't get either the reroll or the hammer of wrath, since you have to use your jump packs to get it and you can't use your jump packs if a guy in the unit doesn't have it. But yes, a D-lord can go with praetorians, it just doesn't help anything work particularly well. Both units lose access to both of their sets of special movement rules; its almost like GW did that on purpose to prevent shenanigans that we kept seeing occur in 6th edition I think you're agreeing with everything I said EXCEPT the keeping HoW, which yeah I'll admit is a stretch and was just me trying to be generous to the opponent. However, there is no room for generosity in the grim darkness of the future, especially for space zombies. RAW yeah you lose all buffs of both sorry doublebuddy
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Post by doubleback on Feb 25, 2016 20:48:22 GMT -6
Or.....and hear me out here.... you are both wrong and it will work perfectly....have we seriously given that angle enough consideration?
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Post by Nick P on Feb 25, 2016 22:43:59 GMT -6
Just throw the d lord in with some destroyers so they get the jump move in the combat phase and everything. Hell they're still T5 and S5, with a 3+ 4+++, that's nothing to shake a stick at in assault
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Post by doubleback on Mar 14, 2016 13:58:35 GMT -6
How do I upload pictures to this thing?
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Post by Russell on Mar 14, 2016 14:41:48 GMT -6
imgur,com
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Post by doubleback on Mar 15, 2016 18:22:18 GMT -6
USE REAL WORDS
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Post by Nick P on Mar 15, 2016 18:58:01 GMT -6
You have to get an imgur account to host your photos online, then you can attach direct links to those pictures in the body of a post by clicking the "attach image" button in the posting toolbar.
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Post by doubleback on Mar 15, 2016 19:24:49 GMT -6
Haha well shit Russell, I looked and it turns out Imgur is a real thing....so you have my apologies
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 19:36:25 GMT -6
Haha well shit Russell, I looked and it turns out Imgur is a real thing....so you have my apologies This might help next time: lmgtfy.com/?q=imgur
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Post by doubleback on Mar 17, 2016 11:41:13 GMT -6
So does being fearless mean Orks ignore mob rule?
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Post by Nick P on Mar 18, 2016 10:06:02 GMT -6
Correct!
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Post by doubleback on Mar 30, 2016 14:30:02 GMT -6
Ok so a model question....I like Orks because unlike Necrons your characters have more personality. With that in mind I got a custom model from Kromlech for my power armored war boss....but he is significantly larger that his mega nobz buddies. Is this a issue or does anyone really care? It seems to work against me more than for me, but he looks so damn cool....
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