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Post by Joelercoaster on Sept 26, 2014 15:21:11 GMT -6
Yeah, I saw the bit about the Voidraven being "upgraded" with missiles. Because spending upward of 100 points on anti-troop things for your anti-tank vehicle is smart. natch. Still, that means a price bump, with lower armor, for basically the same vehicle that already people rarely took. Unless it's getting more, I'm not seeing it.
I'm going to stab GW for taking away my night shields. 3+ jink is great until you stop getting cover saves, which is just too common. Plus side, it means good ruins will be granting a 2+ a lot of the time if you fanagle right. And I do love a good fanagle.
I think the Reaver bit is up in the air. Sources seem to be saying rending HoW, with "no mention of bladevane"... but no mention of it being gone? It's hard to tell from early WD batreps which are notorious for being stupid anyway. Speaking of, now people are saying that the batrep info is contrary to the "early leaks"... so that's a thing too. Shrug.
The thing I saw on that specialist formation was basically your troops get a 5+ on turn 1, *plus* on any turn with Night Fight (relic/ability to add NF to other turns?). Else it's only a 6+. I mean, you really should have 5+ cover anyway, to be honest... but it's an appreciated way to have cover on planet bowling ball that you come across on terrible tournaments and things. And it at least opens up the ability to deploy anywhere and be "in cover", rather than having to hunker down between 2 solid pieces, etc. Now if it was a stock +2 to cover saves (stacking with Stealth, etc) then it would be a *huge* boon on turn 1, and well worth taking (and giving up ObSec).
I'm waiting to see on a few things. If mandrakes have the rumored changes and stay at 15, then they may be useful. Although that was in the original dump which has been "nullified" by the WD Batrep (has it though? I haven't seen actual pages of the WD). And no news on lance/blaster cost... but that doesn't make it into the reports anyway, so we'll have to wait a few days until someone gets their codex early. I guess we should have them by Friday at least?
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Post by Nick P on Sept 26, 2014 15:28:27 GMT -6
The reaver info I got was direct from the german website that initially listed out the details of the codex. The people on Faiet keep fucking it up with their idiocy. It says clearly that HoW, Bladevanes, and Caltrops are rending. Unless the germans got it wrong, in which case who the fuck knows whats happening in the new dex lol this could just be german 4chan trolling us to hell and back.
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Post by Nick P on Sept 26, 2014 15:29:20 GMT -6
Also keep in mind that the WD battle reports often use made up rules to make the games more fun (see: Nagash disallowing Tomb Kings from using their magical lore's attribute to gain wounds. Not a real rule.). So just because the WD report doesn't support it, doesn't mean its not real.
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Post by Joelercoaster on Sept 26, 2014 17:06:32 GMT -6
oh yeah, "gleaning rules" from WD batreps is a murky practice at best.
Sometimes they just lie. Sometimes riptides charge Nid MC's because "Why wouldn't they?".
If Reavers "just gain rending"... then... well. Yeah. I mean, I use them in almost every game already, but they are "pricey" compared to pretty much every other bike in the game. What now with Jink being a trade-off (although one I'm 99% willing to make), a boon on them is.... just... well. I mean. Gah I love DE. So. Effin. Good.
ps - Nick, give me all of your Reavers.
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Post by Nick P on Sept 26, 2014 19:33:42 GMT -6
No way man, I need all 9 of mine for...reasons. Non sexual reasons. Promise.
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Post by mike on Sept 26, 2014 22:43:28 GMT -6
Night shields changed?!
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Post by mike on Sept 28, 2014 19:01:04 GMT -6
Guys I got the codex early and when I opened the cover all that was inside was a smushed turd.
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Post by mike on Sept 28, 2014 19:01:31 GMT -6
There aren't even wracks!
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Post by Russell on Sept 28, 2014 21:09:10 GMT -6
I heard the book was literally written by Hitler, is that true?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 21:28:13 GMT -6
Seems legit
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Post by Nick P on Sept 29, 2014 6:23:49 GMT -6
Yeah that checks out.
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Post by Joelercoaster on Sept 29, 2014 6:27:50 GMT -6
Wait, you got a smushed turd? Maaaaan, lucky. Mine just had a picture of a space marine laughing.
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Sept 29, 2014 7:05:17 GMT -6
Hitler > Games Workshop Design Studio
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Post by Nick P on Sept 29, 2014 7:46:09 GMT -6
Ok sooo....lets break out some of the good stuff from the rumors, because I think this army still works the way we want it to; just a few things got changed, so some fringe units have different uses now.
Raiders are cheaper, venoms stayed the same - and with nightshields we have a 3+ jink. Transport spam is alive and well.
Every vehicle can deepstrike, and in 7th that means we can take a risk and have our entire army pop up on turn 2 (minus 1 unit hiding on turn 1).
WWP means we don't scatter when we deepstrike - so trueborn units, 20 man warrior squads, allied fire-dragons, allied wraithguard, etc can show up right next to that Landraider/objective/Landraider/blob squad and decimate it. I think this is probably a must take.
Lots of leadership shenanigans - relic armor that causes fear and -2 LD within 12" is great.
Lots of one-use items to insta-glib psykers - 9" nova that causes S6 no saves on every model with "psyker" or "brotherhood of psykers" hit comes to mind. Bye daemons, bye GK, bye seer-star.
Looks like lots of points reductions - hellions go to 13ppm, wracks at 10ppm, warriors go to 8ppm, wyches rumored at 9ppm, which means that trueborn and bloodbrides are cheaper as well at 11ppm and 12ppm respectively.
Splinter racks work on all splinter weapons - 10 trueborn with 3 cannons and 7 carbines = so much dead stuff omg.
Court of the Archon got awesome - can take up to 12 models, and no longer need to have one of everything; so you can take nothing but sslyth (25ppm now) and throw them in a raider with racks as an amazing multi-purpose unit (S5 T5 W2 A4, rumored to come stock with shardcarbines AND 2ccws). Not to mention the medusa's "eye beam" got a lot better...and you can flame template out of open topped transports...
Razorwing moved to Fast Attack, and we can have 6 FA slots in our new FoC. No more fighting for room with Ravagers! And nothing else in FA worth taking!
Combat drugs streamlined, all of them are useful now and simple - just adding 1 to the stats that matter most (WS, S, T, A, I, LD)
Power From Pain is static, and haemy's and archons give a boost to any unit they join, giving them the next turn's rules (so FnP 6+ on turn 1, 5+ turn 2, etc). Keeping your army back for a turn, or reserving most of it, is a decent option to make sure that everything has at least FnP when it actually strikes.
Bloodbrides have haywire (rumored), so for the same points as last codex we can put 5 haywyches in a venom and go tank hunting. Just means we have to fight for the ever-competitive elite slots.
I don't know, I kinda like it. The lists that I like to play are getting way better, and some new unit combos are already apparent so I'll have some cool new models to build and paint (sslyth and medusa...looking at you!) but anyone who relied on the baron or duke shenanigans, and reavers to bladevane, will have to change their tactics slightly. Overall the rumors seem like a lateral move for the book, rather than a boost or a nerf. I'm more excited to see the artwork they put in this thing, and to see what cool combos might be present that haven't become apparent in the rumor dumps. I remember when people felt like the eldar book was a lateral move...and then when the book shipped it became a top tier army almost overnight. Fingers crossed?
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Post by mike on Sept 29, 2014 15:33:49 GMT -6
Yeah, the razorwing moving slots was on my wishlist and I'll probably get a second jet now. I'm pretty excited for the new rules.
Who needs the duke when everything can deep strike to begin with?
The court is going to be huge for this codex, which it probably should have been all along I suppose.
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