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Post by daniel, why on Mar 31, 2018 9:32:24 GMT -6
I really like the Obsidian Rose trait - extra range on all of my weapons is huge, so I'm going to be focused more on triple ravager and 5-man with blaster in venom type armies, probably with a detachment of wyches/hellions with the +1 S trait. I'm with Nick on this except I like Flayed Skull more than Rose. I doubt I'll have room for agents of vect/the command point battery, but it's definitely good. Black Heart's bonus is just not as flashy as rerolls to hit/movement range bonuses given the current pfp table. List will likely be 2 battalions, one strength wyches, one flayed skull kabalites. Wyches (Cursed Blade): - Exploding Succubus w/ Glaive + Blast Pistol x 2
- Wyches (10) w/ Blast Pistol, Agonizer, Wych Weapons, Raider
- Wyches (5) w/ Blast Pistol, Agonizer, Raider x 2
Kabalites (Flayed Skull): - Archon w/ Agonizer + Blaster x 2
- Incubi (5) w/ Raider -> Could be grotesques or court depending on what ends up being the most stylish
- Kabalites (5) w/ Blaster, Venom x 3
- Ravager x 3
Any remaining points will be jet bikes.
yiss
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Post by Joelercoaster on Mar 31, 2018 9:37:27 GMT -6
Def no Lt style HQ's, but across armies most of those (or what used to be those) have moved into Elites, so that makes sense within the realm of the game.
For me it's less about "how many command points can I cram" and more "Gee I'd like to just throw in some wyches into this Brigade instead of a 3rd Archon and 6th Warrior unit, but if I do that they all lose their bonuses".
Just means we're probably always looking at Patrols and the "sub-detachments", which... may end up being alright. I don't even want to max Obsessions, I just want to have "My Archon" leading the raiding party, and 8th makes that impossible, and DE make it even a little weirder by forcing me to take multiple archons in the same detachment (or even across multiple small ones).
It's a relatively small thing, probably... I'll try a game or two, see how I like the feel of things, go from there.
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Post by mike on Mar 31, 2018 11:58:37 GMT -6
Turns out with the new points costs, that's twelve bikes with all the trimmings.
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Post by mike on Mar 31, 2018 12:08:12 GMT -6
And even though it might feel weird to have multiple archons from the same kabal in one army, I think there's room to affirm which one is the "Archon" with the use of relics/equipment and the warlord trait.
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Post by Joelercoaster on Mar 31, 2018 13:04:26 GMT -6
And even though it might feel weird to have multiple archons from the same kabal in one army, I think there's room to affirm which one is the "Archon" with the use of relics/equipment and the warlord trait. Fair point. Big boss gets all the toys. Alternatively, mini-boss gets the Djinn blade, so it doesn't matter if he kills himself with it xD - although I think we have a vampirism WLT now? Kill a model, gain a wound. You'd net a lot in combat. Though there are a fair few solid WLT's, it seems... so that's cool. *Continued Thoughts* If vehicles get the Obsession (I think they're supposed to? My brain is pretty mush right now) the Coven that gives Ld debuffs will be very easy to pair well with things like PGL's, bringing back DE's Ld shenanigans (along with some strats and other things). Granted you do give up a lot of oomph from not taking the bonus AP coven, but worth looking into I think. Of course, that would mean converting Wracks, Sigh. Curious how many denies you can make with the Helm of Spite - probably just one, but the only thing I've heard is "can deny like a psyker", which isn't a set number. Given it's our only Psy defense (I guess there's also the Crucible wargear + Strat)... Taking a Coven basically unlocks our "anti-psyker" abilities (anyone can take the helm, but I really want a good weapon or bonus Shadowfield on my Archon). Oh goodness.
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Post by mike on Apr 2, 2018 13:19:41 GMT -6
Anyone want to talk shredder scourges? 4D6 Str6 shots at 12"... 92 points.
They can deep strike.
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Post by Russell on Apr 2, 2018 13:22:13 GMT -6
Please direct all discussions about Scourges here.
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Post by mike on Apr 2, 2018 13:30:25 GMT -6
Please direct all discussions about Scourges here.AP -1!
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Post by mike on Apr 2, 2018 13:38:23 GMT -6
Should I convert my succubi to carry yoga mats on their backs? o/ for yes.
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Post by Joelercoaster on Apr 2, 2018 17:19:23 GMT -6
It's a fair point to wonder if Shredders will finally have found a place... from the beginning they've been a joke compared to the miniLance option... but now? They may actually have a sweet spot for anti-horde duty.
Kabalites dropping significantly from prior editions, plus our token anti-infantry special no longer (maybe) being complete garbage, that may be enough firepower to deal with hordes (where before, fighter Missiles were about the best option, the only large blast, etc etc).
Iiiiinnnteeresting...
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Post by Nick P on Apr 3, 2018 8:25:03 GMT -6
So after watching all the codex reviews I've compiled a list of changes that covers pretty much everything, so I'm starting on list building. double battalions and a patrol of Black Heart is going to be a big them I think.
Also I need more reavers. and 10 mandrakes. and more grotesques.
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Post by mike on Apr 3, 2018 9:38:35 GMT -6
How do you guys feel about the second splinter cannon on venoms? I'm leaning yes, but it's mostly for aesthetics on my part. I don't want to remodel the unit and doing the math on how many shots I get at any given range band is simpler.
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Post by mike on Apr 3, 2018 9:39:14 GMT -6
So after watching all the codex reviews I've compiled a list of changes that covers pretty much everything, so I'm starting on list building. double battalions and a patrol of Black Heart is going to be a big them I think. Also I need more reavers. and 10 mandrakes. and more grotesques. How many reavers do you have?
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Post by Nick P on Apr 3, 2018 12:02:07 GMT -6
Only 6, like some kind of newb
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Post by mike on Apr 3, 2018 12:25:55 GMT -6
Gangs of Commorragh dude.
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