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Post by mike on Apr 29, 2014 23:06:08 GMT -6
I'm guessing they'd divorce jink from the cover save system if the BS modifier system was in place, which makes sense to me anyways.
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Post by Joelercoaster on Apr 30, 2014 6:33:23 GMT -6
If they used the bs modifying system from fantasy, as is rumored, I'm not sure that would be a viable change. As 40k is an inherently shooty game, you'd suddenly find yourself unable to fire at jet bikes that turbo boosted, flatted out fast skimmers, etc. with orks or humans or Nids. It would be brutal to the core. Guess you'd better assault them then, huh? Like I said, full caveat - all of these were just rumors, and pretty early ones at that. If we get a new rulebook (obviously) then certain rules can change. Jink saves may just be a -1, with "Turbo" being a -2. Orks won't get to Dakka, but IG could still "snapshot" at you. The whole "0 BS can't fire" may not even be a thing anymore. Maybe you always hit on a 6, meaning there's a chance to hit those pesky fast/stealthy units. We'll know by the end of the month, at least.
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Post by Matt W. on Apr 30, 2014 20:17:51 GMT -6
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Post by Dan K on May 1, 2014 7:54:05 GMT -6
So lets talk about %. At the 1850 level armies have to have 720 points of troops at least. For Tau, this means that 6 full squads of fire warriors. Well, kinda. That 120 points per troop selection. A full FW squad with an upped serg is actually 118 points. So either Tau will have to take 7 troops or, and im afaird of this, the return of large kroot squads.
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Post by jefferestinpeace on May 1, 2014 8:10:06 GMT -6
I'd say it's more likely that if the percentage system goes through, we'd shift back down to 1500 points standard, which, according to Andy, is the "play testing" level. I'd be all for it if that's the case.
However, I don't think we'll be going in that direction as it would be firmly contradictory to the large number of available Formations now. I think the FOC, or whatever it might be called, will be focused that way, requiring some sort of Core Formation alongside whatever else you might take.
Essentially, it'll probably remain the same, but with different wording.
I'm more interested to see where Fantasy goes, since it's comparatively pretty unsuccessful. It'll be a sad day if it shifts its play style to a more 40k way, as the biggest appeal to me for Fantasy is how different it actually plays to 40k.
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Post by Nick P on May 1, 2014 8:50:04 GMT -6
Dan, what percentage system have you heard rumored? The one that I've heard rumored, that it will match Fantasy, would mean:
HQ - 462 points max Elite - 462 points max Troops - 462 points minimum Fast - 925 points max Heavy - 462 points max
At 1850. Functionally, that wouldn't really change any of the major power builds in the game; don't worry, you can still fit plenty of riptides.
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Post by Dan K on May 1, 2014 9:36:16 GMT -6
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Post by jefferestinpeace on May 1, 2014 9:45:57 GMT -6
I smell bolshit
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Post by David P on May 1, 2014 10:18:24 GMT -6
I'm gonna need way more points for heavies...
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Post by Matt W. on May 1, 2014 11:21:01 GMT -6
I doubt it will have a percentage system. So far the rumors are bearing up to be what I expected. No substantial changes, more refining than anything.
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Post by Joelercoaster on May 1, 2014 16:00:15 GMT -6
More "credible" sources are basically at this point saying it's the combined book (incorporating Stronghold and Escalation" along with erratas built in. If this is all, it's just a convenience measure... although a small one, as I know about zero people who tote the full sized rulebook aroudn anymore, and less that would want an even bigger one.
I'd appreciate a few small changes, but wouldn't be surprised if this were simply an "update" to incorporate the "non-expansion expansions".
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Post by Nick P on May 2, 2014 7:18:02 GMT -6
Yeah there are about 6 or 7 different posts on Faeit that all seem to contradict each other, some touting a % system, some saying flat out that the FOC is still in, some describing new rules for flyers and assaults, some saying that its nothing new just a few added USRs and a removal of battle brothers...
I think I'm done with the rumor mill lol my head is spinning, I'll just wait for May 24th
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Post by Joelercoaster on May 3, 2014 6:44:08 GMT -6
Ughf, right?? Example-time ... pre Nid codex, there were probably two large slews of rumors. Mind you, absolutely all of it turned out to be wrong, but sources more or less agreed (aside from the 4chan stuff that was admitted trolling).
Having so many variations on what's coming... annoying, at best. People, maybe everyone, is wishlisting. I would love a mild update, and I've heard that 40k is meant to be more of a "living system" now with periodic tweaks rather than blatant system-changing rule swings, so the idea of a few small bits here and there fits that... but I have no proof of this. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a simple compilation book.
I'd like a few things to change, some of the assault rumors sound great, in that they would make certain assault-based units far more viable, without being super auto-take death hammers. So, you know, solid.
Shrug. Guess we'll see if a few weeks.
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Post by T1m on May 5, 2014 14:31:11 GMT -6
I'm sure some of you have seen these, but I'll post them anyway. imgur.com/a/Kbyu1#0imgur.com/a/Kbyu1#1These seem pretty legitimate. The dynamic objectives sound like they could fun. Or at least different from the current crop of game types. But I'm not sure I like the "unbound" army idea.
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Post by jefferestinpeace on May 5, 2014 14:52:32 GMT -6
So happy there's more stuff that is made available to everyone "except Tyranids"
Also, here comes my entire Ripper Swarm army because that's of course no fun at all.
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