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Post by jefferestinpeace on Apr 17, 2015 17:53:22 GMT -6
Let's play Dropzone Commander
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Post by Joelercoaster on Apr 17, 2015 19:26:40 GMT -6
So sorry, just want to be clear...
All distort weapons are D weapons, but certain ones are -1 to the roll, or Distort is just "weak D" in general? According to "sources", so far?
I mean, in fairness, any given unit of D-cannons was already incredibly likely to wipe any given MC (barring Fatey or the like with stupid Inv saves), and any -1 means you will always get said inv saves (and cover).
I am relatively interested in the idea of running all 3 flyers as crimson hunters in their own formation, and still getting all of my normal FA slots... although I am starting to really like the missiles from the Razorwing, now that it can unload on turn 1 again. Well, *it's* turn 1.
300 points for a gargantuan creature, though... that seems straight busted. With any of those weapon options? It kind of makes my brain hurt. It also makes me want one now... haha. But yeah, titan-level power for an upgraded Land Raider (if you could do that)... -_-
This is why I've been shying away from "competitive" things. GW shied away from it years ago, and it boils down to the same 4 builds, plus the odd Lictor Shame, that you have to worry about. To me that's super boring. Shrug.
Plus side to this is that it should be easier for me to get my hands on some old bikes, now that new fancy ones are coming out. I'm thinking scatter laser for the range game. I doubt I'd go much beyond 1-in-3, because they're still not *that* durable... 3 with special weapons is a legit threat that's pretty easy to take out. 1 in a squad is a nuisance that can still get to rear armor and be effective, and still do dirty things in terms of objectives. Plus you don't hate flatting out as much to dirty-fy said objectives. Eh, we'll see.
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Post by Nick P on Apr 17, 2015 21:11:44 GMT -6
I....I really want a second wraith knight. It's just such a fun kit to build and paint...if I use the old distort rules, will you guys still lynch me?
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Apr 17, 2015 21:19:09 GMT -6
I mean, maybe that guy meant to say 595 pts. We'll wait for the codex to actually release I guess, but it's going to really suck if it's true. You can't even box that thing out with spore mines or anything. Totally fucked.
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Post by Russell on Apr 17, 2015 21:23:27 GMT -6
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Post by Nick P on Apr 17, 2015 21:46:27 GMT -6
Maybe the sun cannon rules are really good, better than S D, yet somehow...better for opponents? Maybe?
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Post by dex on Apr 18, 2015 14:29:04 GMT -6
Well my Iyanden army doesn't seem so silly now. TauNidDar ftw
I have DZC lets play that and armada
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Post by Nick P on Apr 20, 2015 9:53:20 GMT -6
Hey guys at least aspecs are super usable now - I think I'll be getting a few units of banshees and warp spiders to flesh out my allies, since I will rarely be taking the wraithknight to the table these days.
Banshees ignore cover, run and charge +3", and their banshee mask prevents overwatch. That's killer!! Throw these bad boys in a raider, and let them go to town on some infantry units in CC.
Warp spiders can warp jump in the opponent's shooting phase (which, like using interceptor, prevents them from using it on their turn) to hid in cover/behind LOS blocking terrain which is cool. Weapons roll against I now, so wound on 3's and 2's against almost everything, but no AP so still get saves and stuff. Great for clearing out MCs with weight of fire.
Might get some swooping hawks too, just because I like the fluff of haywiring flyers in mid air. MSU aspect lists should be able to play pretty well in the current meta, so I think it'll be a ton of fun in that regard.
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Apr 20, 2015 9:58:58 GMT -6
They're also badass models generally. Also, I thought this article on Torrent of Fire was pretty decent about the current state of the game. Just mostly about perspective.
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Post by Nick P on Apr 20, 2015 10:29:58 GMT -6
Just saw that this morning, lots of that going on online right now, which is great to see in the community. Great to see that some of the bigger blogs in the community are using their viewership to reassure players, tone down the rage, and add perspective.
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Post by englishchris on Apr 20, 2015 20:01:07 GMT -6
So my 2 wraith knights would be gargantuan? hmmmm, I guess I wouldn't be so vulnerable to Mikes poisoned :-) But could I be bothered to swap out aaaaall of my bikes with random heavy weapons. Maybe, I have those bitz.
But all Distort are Ds? Now that's broken. I should buy wraith guard.....no wait......mustn't.......mustn't be trapped by GWs marketing tactics........must resist........muuuuust ressssiiiiiiittttt!
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