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Post by Nick P on Nov 10, 2014 9:58:25 GMT -6
Also, something I forgot to point out yesterday - if this is going to be a once a month thing, we need to up the points a bit. The 250 point increase that was laid out amounts to a SEVEN MONTH league to get to 2000 points. Which is insane. Are people going to be that interested until June 2015? Yeah right!
This should be a winter-focused league. With 4 weeks in between rounds, we should go up in 500 point increments. Start at 500, then 1000, then 1500, and if we feel like we have the attention span to go longer, maybe we bump to 1850 in the last month (which would be March 2015 fyi, which is pushing it methinks).
That's my $0.02 at least, having played in a few of these back in Ohio and from what we've seen at GF and NDG and DDojo.
Keep it simple, keep the points manageable, and keep it short-ish to sustain momentum.
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Post by Joelercoaster on Nov 10, 2014 9:59:51 GMT -6
I was also under the impression that this crowd included a couple of potential D-bags already? In terms of "I'mma take the bestest thing possible at 500!!! RAWR!!!". Maybe that was a different event. These are the guys I'm worried about, not some newb that could take Taudar as battle bro's and still suck.
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Nov 10, 2014 10:02:19 GMT -6
I think I gotta agree with Nick on the points increase, BECAUSE NICK'S THE BEST AND I LOVE HIS WORDS AND MOUTH AND OH GOD HERE HE COMES QUICK HOW'S MY BUTT
But yeah, 250 points over 4 weeks probably ain't going to sustain the itch. So maybe 500, 1000, 1500, 1850, 2000?
5 months is long enough.
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Post by Dan K on Nov 10, 2014 10:03:17 GMT -6
I was also under the impression that this crowd included a couple of potential D-bags already? In terms of "I'mma take the bestest thing possible at 500!!! RAWR!!!". Maybe that was a different event. These are the guys I'm worried about, not some newb that could take Taudar as battle bro's and still suck. We'll see who comes. And we can talk to a veteran who is bringing a list that we think is OP or dickish. Another thing I think we should add is no Forgeworld, at least not till 1000 and I'd say not at all.
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Post by Dan K on Nov 10, 2014 10:05:26 GMT -6
I think I gotta agree with Nick on the points increase, BECAUSE NICK'S THE BEST AND I LOVE HIS WORDS AND MOUTH AND OH GOD HERE HE COMES QUICK HOW'S MY BUTT But yeah, 250 points over 4 weeks probably ain't going to sustain the itch. So maybe 500, 1000, 1500, 1850, 2000? 5 months is long enough. We could also do 3 week intervals starting in Jan (to avoid holiday outoftownmissedgames) I also think we could tie the league to other locations, the once a month at Wanderer's, the Cuban night, etc.
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Post by Russell on Nov 10, 2014 10:06:52 GMT -6
I'm totes bringing two Flyrants, and two Meiotic spores as my 500 pt list. What do you guys think I should do with my spare 10 points? Bring an opponent cause no one is gonna want to play that list
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Post by Russell on Nov 10, 2014 10:08:48 GMT -6
And as much as I hate to admit that Andy is right about anything, he is right about leagues like this: the simpler the better.
I say one rule: don't be a chode
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Post by Nick P on Nov 10, 2014 10:13:42 GMT -6
I think we're getting a little too ahead of ourselves - we can't go into the Escalation League expecting that people might be Dbags; some of the guys that I played from that meetup group in Fantasy are very good list builders, and take the game seriously, and travel for tournaments and are very competitive.
Does that mean those same guys are playing 40k now? Not at all. Does that mean that if they do, they're going to go looking for deathstars to break the game? No of course not. Lets just see what we start off with, and if we absolutely need to bring in new rules to balance it out, we can cross that bridge.
Also, I still think 5 months is ridiculously long - what were we all doing 5 months ago? A sweet freaking campaign. How'd that turn out? Yeah...thought so. And that was with WEEKLY games in many cases, among friends who actually know each other...now picture a group of guys who don't know us, don't know each other, playing a game they've never played before, in 4 week intervals.
I think keeping it to 3 months, at 500 point increments, and then having a big 1850 tournament in March (month 4) as the "crown jewel" of the whole event, to let the players take what they've learned and built and test their mettle in a more competitive environment.
That should also get people excited throughout - they have a reason for building their army other than "I should really play another game in 4 weeks"...its "oh man, I gotta get some more games in, and finish building/painting this unit, so I'm ready for the tournament in March". The escalation league therefore becomes a means to an end, rather than the end game itself.
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Post by Russell on Nov 10, 2014 11:33:58 GMT -6
Thanks guys, Mike chugs dick. He's insatiable
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Post by Russell on Nov 10, 2014 11:54:19 GMT -6
I was also under the impression that this crowd included a couple of potential D-bags already? In terms of "I'mma take the bestest thing possible at 500!!! RAWR!!!". Maybe that was a different event. These are the guys I'm worried about, not some newb that could take Taudar as battle bro's and still suck. You may be thinking of a different event. Our group currently consists of the following players, among others: -A guy who plays Sisters of Battle (one of the last on the planet) -A guy who builds Blood Angels armies with no scoring units -Tyranids (lol) -Slaanesh Demons -More than one Dark Angels player -Nick No douchebags here. The only time I ever heard complaints about douchebaggery was last year during the kill team tournament when a pair of clown shoes brought a Riptide.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 12:23:54 GMT -6
I can assure you there will be no over-powered craziness coming from me during the league. I plan on bringing some Word Bearers, AKA more expensive and less useful space marines. They are fun to paint though.
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Post by Nick P on Nov 10, 2014 12:35:47 GMT -6
I think Joel was meaning that he thought the group of guys from the Warhammer Meetup were dbags, which in my experience they are not. The guys I've played with are good guys, just more competitive in terms of tactics and list building than most of us are used to. I doubt those guys will be taking to 40k though, I think this is a batch of new players overall. Plus, even if they did play 40k, its not like the deathstar builds are blatantly apparent to the non-initiated.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 12:41:38 GMT -6
The only lists someone could bring that I think might be problematic would be Tzeentch Daemon Summon Spam, Riptide or Wraithknight Spam, or the Adamantine Lance. The highlander rule prevents all of those (or atleast limits the daemons) however. I doubt there will be a list abuse problem.
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Post by Nick P on Nov 10, 2014 12:45:49 GMT -6
Yeah and I'm just bringing blasterborn and unbound venoms, so nothing to worry about there
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 12:47:01 GMT -6
Yeah and I'm just bringing blasterborn and unbound venoms, so nothing to worry about there Highlander and CAD kinda limit that don't they? I assume sarcasm, but my fear of Dark Eldar makes me concerned.
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