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Post by Russell on Nov 8, 2014 23:59:50 GMT -6
I thought the league wasn't starting until next month? Am I an idiot? Three questions?
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Nov 9, 2014 0:19:28 GMT -6
Kinda on all three.
Escalation leagues don't usually have month long periods in between meetings, so it's safe to assume that people might play games in between there. This night would be to get some consensus answers like on starting point levels and what it goes up by each month, sign everybody up with emails, talk a bit about the rules, hand out the first mission, and maybe get some people starting to play. I'm thinking up a system thingy that would be good for monthly meetings that doesn't match people up as a weekly league would, but rewards hobbying and games played more than winning. It would just require that those interested be informed by a guy who talks a lot with his hands and has a winning smile. Mostly though, I just want someone there to be an authority figure and make a good impression on Linda so she likes having us there and tries to take care of us with free shit, like prize support for events. So everyone should wear a tie.
Does that make sense? Am I an idiot?
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Post by Nick P on Nov 9, 2014 8:05:01 GMT -6
I'd do it if I was going to be in town, for what it's worth. But I won't be in town, so you know, useless.
I can Skype it? Two questions?
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Post by Dan K on Nov 9, 2014 9:31:09 GMT -6
send me the info ill be there all day
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Post by Dan K on Nov 9, 2014 9:32:05 GMT -6
I can wear a tie, but it'll look weird with the overalls
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Post by Russell on Nov 9, 2014 11:26:39 GMT -6
Who's gonna remind Jeff that the Bears are awful?
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Post by Dan K on Nov 9, 2014 12:13:22 GMT -6
The bears will do a fine job of that tonight....
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Nov 9, 2014 14:40:28 GMT -6
Stupid Bears. THANK YOU DAN. I'm putting some stuff together now while I watch better football until tonight. I'll outline some of my initial thoughts, conclusions, and then have a few questions for everyone based on preference. 1. I'm thinking a Facebook group would be a good place to compile all documents and give everyone a place to schedule games and talk and stuff. I understand that everyone might not be on Facebook, so this might not be the best way to do this, but I figure something separate from the Brohammer forums might be a better way to get things going. Thoughts? 2. Do you guys want to start at 500 or 750? And how much should we increase points by each month? My initial instinct is starting at 500 with 250 point increases every meeting, but that might be too slow with the pacing of monthly meetings. Maybe just starting at 750 would be better, or jumping 500 each time, up to 1500 or whatever. What do you think? 3. Should we charge some money for prize support? I don't know if Linda's going to get anything from GW, but maybe we don't particularly care here? 4. I think up until 1000 pts, we should do Highlander style, but we can skip over troops. Do we want to incorporate any other restrictions? No 2+ saves, no 200+ pt units, having to retain the same units week to week? The only one I'd like to cut out is the 200+ pt units and AV 13+ until 1000 pts. 5. I also think that with 4+ weeks between meetings, a league design that enables and encourages play between meetings might be best. My thoughts here depart from the traditional league system, but I don't think it really hurts anything by adapting a different form. I want to encourage hobbying and playing more than anything, in order to learn an army and its rules. Winning will of course be rewarded, but the other aspects will be rewarded more. Does this idea shit in anyone's coffee? Here's where I'm going with this: - Between 11/16/14 and 12/XX/14, participants will be expected to play at least one game against an opponent, but can record up to three plays against three opponents. For each playing period, players can record one result: A victory is worth 2 points, draws are worth 1, and losses 0; players record whichever is best. However, each player gets 1 point for every game played, up to three. So, if you play three games but lose each, you can still net the same amount of points as the guy who played one and won one. Within this, we can incorporate a "mandatory opponent" for W/L/D traditional league stuff that means you have to at least play this certain opponent once, but I almost don't think this will be necessary. Should the army be kept the same each game or should you be allowed to switch things up? I'm inclined to allow people to play with whatever they want and change things as they test stuff out.
- I want to award points for hobbying progress, mostly with painting. We'll keep this small, but consistent, so if you miss one deadline, it won't kill you in the standings. I'm thinking that if you have at least one new minimum sized unit painted by the next time we meet included in your playing army, you get 1 point in addition to games played and your recorded result.
- I think it'd also be fun to include bonus points, with one able to be recorded for each playing period and only able to be achieved through multiple plays. They'd all just be worth 1 point and be stuff like Slay 3 enemy Warlords, fight 3 challenges, Sweeping Advance 3 enemy units, explode 3 vehicles, etc.
- Anything else for points?
So what you kids think? Let me know your preferences; many of these questions can be asked based on group preference and stuff, but we mostly just want to get everyone accounted for and know where to start. If we agree on stuff and people can start playing league games that night, then all the better!
Thanks dudes.
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Post by Dan K on Nov 9, 2014 15:28:05 GMT -6
The initial problem I see with this is it is complicated. Adding additional victory/point options as listed in #5 can be difficult for new players to keep up with. Plus it makes record keeping a bitch and a half. (maybe two) I like the idea of 500 + 250 each month, that is a good pace for buying/building/painting in a month. 500,750,1000,1250,1500,1750,2000. I like the Highlander rules up to 1000 but no 2+ saves eliminates terminators which several armies (read deathwing/dragowing/ etc) rely exclusively on. The highlander rule eliminates most of the power list problems and then it just comes down to if participants in the league want to be ass hats or not. If its a beginners league then we should all treat it as such. I like the idea of a facebook group, cross post it to a meetup group and have links to brohammer. That way we can attract new people and still keep everything organized. I'm not opposed to a buy-in, but I do have my reservations about it. It would be nice to have a prize pool, but this is more about encouraging people to start playing, etc.
ALSO I am still hoping that a few other people can bring some basic infantry from other armies to the store on Sunday so if we have new people they can see/try stuff out.
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Nov 9, 2014 21:12:16 GMT -6
I can't fucking believe I won't be playing games next Sunday for this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2014 23:01:37 GMT -6
Perhaps a way around the 2+ or 200pts squads at low points levels would be to mess with the force org charts. Which also raises the question of are we going to limit this to combined arms only? Allow allies, fortifications, or mini-dexes? Allow unbound lists?
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Nov 9, 2014 23:44:57 GMT -6
Well we're already doing Highlander (see previous posts). I should have said only single CAD, forgot all that shit, but any limitations would only be for the first 2 levels; 1000 pts is probably large enough to open everything up (allies, forts, etc.) without issue.
For the record, my recommendation would only be no units above 200 pts and no AV 13+. Noobs love Terminators after all, and it's not like they're OP.
I think cross-pollination of platforms will be enough to catch everyone involved. I'll set up a group this week.
The bonus VP thing might be a little much, but hopefully it's just sort of an aside list of 5-8 extra things people might pick up. And record keeping probably wouldn't be too bad (Jimmy played 2 games for this period, recorded a win, and got Bonus Obj 4 for 5 total points).
I'd also rather not do a buy in simply because we spend enough money on this hobby as is, but just throwing it out there.
Thanks guys! Keep it up.
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Post by Nick P on Nov 10, 2014 7:59:52 GMT -6
No 200+ point units also significantly limits your favorite army, Tyranids. No flyrants? No units of 2 carnifexes? No MALECEPTORS??!?!?
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Nov 10, 2014 8:29:05 GMT -6
How about only one unit above 200 pts is allowed?
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Nov 10, 2014 8:30:57 GMT -6
Also, everyone is required to include one Maleceptor in their list, regardless of faction.
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