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Post by Russell on Sept 17, 2014 19:11:40 GMT -6
Because fuck you
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Post by mike on Sept 17, 2014 22:50:53 GMT -6
The extra posts thing felt pretty good though right?
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Post by mike on Sept 17, 2014 23:06:42 GMT -6
The problem with the Dark Eldar is they don't have the Nephilim Jetfighter.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 23:14:16 GMT -6
I'm just waiting for GW to unveil the DE monstrous creature of excessive size.... I personally suggest "Boner-Knight" for its tentative name.
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Post by mike on Sept 17, 2014 23:18:17 GMT -6
Asurabel Vect's Boner Palace.
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Post by mike on Sept 17, 2014 23:23:12 GMT -6
"Hello, my name is Asurabel. Welcome to my 275 point Boner Palace Lord of War, you chump wannabes." - Vect, every damn day of his life.
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Sept 18, 2014 6:14:24 GMT -6
That new gun, the ossifier? Something like that? Either way, its root is "ossification" which is the process of growing bone. It's quite literally a boner gun.
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Post by Nick P on Sept 18, 2014 7:50:33 GMT -6
I don't think we're getting anything "new" to the codex - just new models for current fine cast, and a voidraven model to fill in the current gap. I expect the voidraven to be an enormous kit, probably $81, and will likely take the place of our "MC" release.
I kinda hope its on a Knight base, and is an actual bomber in size...instead of just "hey, this fighter jet plane is a bomber. I promise."
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Post by Joelercoaster on Sept 18, 2014 8:12:08 GMT -6
So, a quick peek into the future of special characters.
Obviously there's been a lot of speculation, what with geedubs dropping everything that doesn't have a model to get around other people making models for things they refuse to do it for... because why should other companies capitalize on their laziness? *ahem*
While there is "hard rumor" that the Void Raven is finally getting a model (although unless it comes with new rules, why bother?), along with a few other obvious repacks (finecast being shifted to plastic, etc), there has been nothing said about any of the special characters. I'm not sure if the rumblings of Vect becoming a Lord of War are actual "proper rumors", or just the obvious candidate. Thing is, so few of our Characters have models (with a grand total of *one* having a current-range model) that we'd be left with... well... one special character if everything just gets nix'd.
Counting ye olde Dark Eldar range, we have (dun dun duuuuun!) Asdrubael Vect (only available on the Dias) Drazhar Lelith (with a fancy new model that's actually pretty sweet, I think) ... yeah, I think that's it. Kruellagh the Vile is still floating around, but she lost her rules with the new book, soooo...
So that's Kedrh...u...ruh...um.... The Decapitator, Duke, Baron, and Lady (basically the Royal Court, plus their executioner) that are up for the ax. Plus vect-on-foot (which, admittedly, is a "new" option for him - the old Mega-Boat didn't even transport models, per se).
So while it's quite possible that they'll simply disappear, I think a solution to keep them/appease the masses/MAKE MONEY is quite simple.
Repack, my friends... repack.
Archons are almost guaranteed to get a new box - the current blister has no options, which is no longer the way of GW (Something I actually give them hard props for). Unless their chest-of-toys goes down to "soul trap" and "angry looking sword", a mini-box full of arm options is on its way (Grats Nick, you just found a new source for a single blast pistol). Add in some special arms, a head-swap, and maybe a bigger banner (because SC's have the biggest poles), and look! Ye mighty Archon box now has the parts to make your own Duke or Vect!! What a steal!!
Same goes for Succubi - while the general hope is that they get a few more options to play with (or maybe a price bump and a 5++ vs shooting? You're telling me an HQ is only as good at dodging as a basic troop??), even with what they have the box is ... well... lacking, to say the least. Granted you (should) have plenty of Wych Weapons from your troops (but who really wants to give their combat HQ a basic S3 AP- weapon?), but that still leaves all the power weapon options, the electro whip thing that no one has ever tried to use... even poison weapons now have a specific look (ie, a little chamber for the poison) to separate them from basic knives. So take this box, add in a fan arm, a head swap, and... BOOM! Yonder lady Malys! PS, has anyone tried using her? I guess the redeployment is probably big, but she seems so... lackluster overall. Maybe I'm wrong.
As for Vect, he could easily go back to being "only on the boat". There would have to be some tweaks to get him viable... I mean, really? A Dark Eldar boat with 3 weapons but no Aerial Assault to let them fire all three? I haven't looked at the current rules in so long, but the original version was a really cool cross between a Walker and a Skimmer. Basically a DE Boat that could ride into combat, and the Incubi Guard (well, a numerical representation thereof) would hack-n-slash in combat. Come to think of it, it would probably work really well as a Chariot. A really big, really shooty chariot.
But I digress. While I would be happy as a clam doing some work on the old model (which I think I have bitz for) and fitting it into my cadre, Vect would really need a fancy new sculpt to fit in with most Dark Eldar armies these days. Vect could easily become a fluff-figure, a mysterious power-figure that many in Commorragh have never seen, only whisper about... but I would miss him on the table (yes, even though I've never played him).
Baron... pfft. Repackage Hellions to have an upgrade character. I'm sure there are some who would slap me for suggesting he stop being an HQ, but it would keep him in the army and stop the "cheese" that is adding him to a Beast Pack (or, more accurately, a Seerstar or other allied unit).
Ughf. So many words. But, partial point is, aside from Vect, no new models would have to be in production (other than inevitable repacks) for our Characters to stay in shape.
note* - I just realized that I skipped the Decapitator... but... who cares, really? Unless Mandrakes get an overhaul (which they won't, because Infiltrate is JUST SO GOOD in GW's eyes), he'll still be worthless. Which is very sad, but... shrug. I'm okay with having a handful of sub-par units, the codex as a whole is solid.
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Post by Nick P on Sept 18, 2014 9:41:16 GMT -6
OMG JOEL STOP TEXT WALLING US
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Post by Joelercoaster on Sept 18, 2014 9:50:26 GMT -6
At least once a day I make a post that is measured by the size of my D.
Also - venoms are probably getting shafted, because they're good (and really, really good at that).
Thoughts?
Step one, vehicles need more weapon options. Either a twin-linked Heat Lance, Blaster, Haywire-Launcher, or Splinter Cannon, Or a Dark Lance/Dissintegrator need to be options. Roughly the same points cost. Roughly.
Basic Venom - Transport, capacity 6 (so you can tag along a character, finally). 1 weapon slot. Weaponized Venom - fast attack slot (sound similar to Venoms? You right). capacity 1. 2 weapon slots.
Round about the same cost, but it allows venoms to be an effective transport for small squads without being the best gun-boat we have. It also opens up the option (which we need) of a fast, gun-laden vehicle in our army (that's not just a ravager in HS). Very similar (ie, exact) to the role of the Vyper, except our Archons can ride one. Why? Because they can't buy a Jetbike.
But they should really, really be able to buy a jetbike. Whatevs. I think this would appease both DE and non DE players, keep a lot of options open, and generally be awesome, because who doesn't want to buy a special Venom just for your Archon and then go guns ablazin' all over the place willy nilly?
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Post by Nick P on Sept 18, 2014 9:57:56 GMT -6
Also, GW hasn't released a multi-part plastic HQ (apart from hive tyrant, tervigon, warrior prime) in...10 years? The clam pack is the way they go, so I would be SHOCKED if we get a fancy new archon box with options, or a succubus for that matter. Maybe they'll cart them over to plastic as is, maybe they'll do a slight re-sculpt to get them into plastic, but bottom line is the weapons they can take in the book are found in almost every other box set in our army, so they don't need to come with them. If they didn't give the Haemy options, the one model that has access to the most tools in the book, none of which are available in other kits, then there is little hope for archons or succubi. Also you forgot Urien - he's still in with a model. Realistically, here's what I expect release wise: - Voidraven - the best rumor mongers on the net have been claiming its already done for literally a year, and with the WD from this weekend saying "it came from the void" as the teaser for next week, I think its fair to say its coming.
- Possible plastic repack of incubi - they did it for wracks when everyone was SURE that it was just a repricing of the current box, so why not incubi?
- Possible Archon clampack to go with incubi - one week for coven, one week for kabals, one week for wyches? Why not?
- Possible succubi clampack - see above; released with the rumored wych supplement in week 3? This is a stretch admittedly
- Codex, LE codex, mission cards, cliche "pain token" counters so GW can get even more money probably
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Post by Nick P on Sept 18, 2014 10:06:01 GMT -6
Oh and as for vehicles, since we were posting at the same time, here are my expectations:
- Venoms will get slightly more expensive, or remain the same but have to purchase their flickerfield. I'm assuming 5 points or so, which honestly I'm fine with.
- Raiders should stay the same - most people use venoms almost exclusively, so the raider isn't as feared or hated in the community. Might even get cheaper, to force a real decision into what rides we take for our units
- No new weapon options, since the kits are already made and established
- Transport size won't change
- Bikes aren't a thing for archons because bikers, hellions, and wyches are all from lower class gladiator cults. Maybe a succubus on a bike though, could be fun to convert.
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Post by Nick P on Sept 18, 2014 10:09:46 GMT -6
Also, you can already tag a character along with our venoms - there's a reason the min unit size for our elites is 3. If you want to take your archon along with warriors or wyches, then you're doing it wrong anyways and should be punished with having to take a raider. Archons + trueborn, incubi = win; haemy with wracks = win, and 5 bloodbrides with nets/impalers = win. Notice I don't mention succubi, because they should never see the table. Ever.
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Post by Joelercoaster on Sept 18, 2014 10:37:09 GMT -6
Step one, Succubi are actually amazing for 65 points. It's a lawnmower HQ option that is just as point efficient as equal points of wyches, but adds so much utility to the unit that it's hilariously stupid.
You can split after disembarking to throw 2 grenades (plasma = amazing, ps), and then based on the squad decide who eats overwatch. You can absorb 2 wounds with no combat diminishment. You can stick together and throw her up front to chump wounds, or LoS meltas and the like.
Seriously... it's the cost of a broodlord. Except you get wounds on a 2+, high initiative, and grenades.
As for tagging along... Incubi don't have grenades, so as much as I love them, are a pretty shite unit. Trueborn, sure, if you want to shoot (so they're perfect for Duke). But an Archon? Why is he riding with Blasterborn? Their "combat version" is... well... did you even know they existed? And I've never heard good things about bloodbrides. All the problems of Wyches, but more expensive. So good!
Besides, I'm mainly basing that off of the original Venom, which was a Harlequin transport that could carry 5 guys + a character (yeah, it has a super secret slot that was only able to be used by a joined character).
But Nick, you're not thinking right. Putting new weapons into boxes means people have to buy new boxes just for weapons. Think, people would buy all new Ravagers (along with a new Ravager formation) so that the spare weapons can be spread around their army!! You're missing the dollar signs!! The beautiful, beautiful dollar signs!!!
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