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Post by kingwalnut on Dec 7, 2018 11:04:43 GMT -6
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Post by Nick P on Dec 7, 2018 11:33:01 GMT -6
My necron list dropped 176 points. *nice*
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Dec 7, 2018 13:10:45 GMT -6
Ok, so obviously the first thought is gonna be "my army is cheaper now". But with all the points reductions, it really feels like every army got significantly cheaper. In fact, i barely see any nerfs. For example, imperial knights are still crazy undercosted. When most things either got cheaper or stayed the same, all this means is 2000 point armies are going to require even more models and games will take even longer to play.
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Dec 7, 2018 13:14:58 GMT -6
Except for regular (chaos) space marines. Holy shit how are they still so bad.
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Post by doubleback on Dec 7, 2018 13:43:08 GMT -6
Holy Hell, blight haulers dropped by half...I will use the shit out of those now
At least I think they did. It says that is the price without war gear, but they can't chose their war gear.....
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Post by doubleback on Dec 7, 2018 13:47:01 GMT -6
Except for regular (chaos) space marines. Holy shit how are they still so bad. They are meant to be phased out. Primaris replace Space marines and the Special CHaos Marines (Plague, Noise, Berserkers, Ruberic, etc) replace the standard chaos marine Get with the god damned times
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Post by Russell on Dec 7, 2018 13:54:03 GMT -6
What's the price of a Land Raider in the current CA?
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Dec 7, 2018 14:09:42 GMT -6
What's the price of a Land Raider in the current CA? 356
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Post by zyggy on Dec 7, 2018 15:49:21 GMT -6
Sad to see orks didn't get anything, but then we just got our codex so I imagine all our buffs were planned as such. Still, I had hoped the stompa wouldn't be as overcosted as it is.
These are all pretty amazing buffs for everybody, some of them really sorely needed. No idea why Knights were barely touched and Guard got buffs across the board despite everyone else needing buffs just to catch up to the the current Guard, but I guess Cruddace just can't stand his army not being the best.
Will be interested to see what other faction rules might be changed, as well as that Sisters beta codex!
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Post by Joelercoaster on Dec 7, 2018 20:55:32 GMT -6
Many Tyranids rejoiced this day
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Post by doubleback on Dec 7, 2018 21:50:23 GMT -6
My necron list dropped 176 points. *nice* Do you think it was enough?
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Post by kingwalnut on Dec 7, 2018 23:34:38 GMT -6
My Tyranid list dropped ~100 points. It isn't world changing, but it is going to give me tons of options. I am earnestly just happy that the Broodlord isn't so insanely overcosted anymore. 110 points is a super reasonable position for it. Especially at the the head of 40 genestealers.
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Post by Joelercoaster on Dec 8, 2018 9:49:20 GMT -6
Yeah... I usually like running a Tyranid Prime, because I like warriors and a S5 bonesword is deec, but the new cost puts them into competitive level lists supporting a couple broods of warriors (now with cheaper VC's, which were never a bad weapon, just costly).
Granted, many people think Warriors are too 'jack-of-all-trades', but the cheaper buff may be what they need to do that job well enough to be warranted.
I do think it's likely that the Neuro going up was more of a gut reaction to "we're seeing so many, they must be too cheap" instead of "It's a floating stormshield that fills an HQ slot"... you would have seen plenty of the other options come in if the Neuro was still at 70, because the other options have utility the Neuro doesn't, now for a very reasonable price point. But anyway.
Haven't looked at what this would actually mean for my regular list - I do think this is likely to pull at least half of those units into "solid" range, but some I think will still be left out. Malaceptor is still probably an overpriced psyker with a kitchy (in a bad way) special ability, Lictors are cheap but the only thing they actually do, Rippers still do better.
Flyers? Cheaper helps, but I don't know that they hit the sweet spot to make up for being as fragile (and really not dangerous) as they are. I do think they look great on the table though, so maybe at least in "friendly competitive" they can eek in. I've heard people going crazy over the new cost of the Exocrine, and T-fex to a lesser extent. Also wonder if the T-cyte drop will be enough to make it a viable choice, or if T2 DS (plus other rules interactions limitations, like SwarmLord) really just killed that whole idea outside of "funsies".
Anyway, I'll have to check my list... I wasn't using the bulk of these things (and don't own Pyrovores... oof those'll be nasty in Kraken), but I'll def see some drops from a few things here and there.
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Dec 8, 2018 11:14:55 GMT -6
Yeah i mean, broodlord is a great deal now. Wish the malanthrope went down and they did actually nerf the neuro. Surprised no nerf for hive guard. Pumped the exocrine is even cheaper.
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Post by Joelercoaster on Dec 8, 2018 13:34:09 GMT -6
Yeah i mean, broodlord is a great deal now. Wish the malanthrope went down and they did actually nerf the neuro. Surprised no nerf for hive guard. Pumped the exocrine is even cheaper. Yeah, I mean on the HQ front it's a big win overall, it just seems random - 'stealers & Hive guard stay the same, but the Neuro... a reliable psyker, sure, but no other ability (okay, synapse, but that's an army req).... I dunno. Anyway, will def get me to at least look at a lot more Monsters & consider throwing them into a list. Acid Spray T-fex at around 180 is a lot easier to fit in... I've wanted to try it but honestly it was always 20-30 points too expensive to fit in... so this is basically perfect xD. I need to find some plain white sticker sheets that I can use to update my codex points xD. Battlescribed is handy, but I really like having the physical reference to look through.
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