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Post by jesse on Apr 28, 2017 9:52:54 GMT -6
Do we even need invuln saves on termies? If lascannons take them to a 5+ armour save, that's already what they have as an invuln. They might just not have one.
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Post by Asyrean on Apr 28, 2017 10:56:46 GMT -6
Do we even need invuln saves on termies? If lascannons take them to a 5+ armour save, that's already what they have as an invuln. They might just not have one. But! But! But! It's not fluffy!! What's the point of having a piece of the Emp's armor in the Crux Terminatus if there's no Invuln Save?!
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Post by Joelercoaster on Apr 28, 2017 11:13:02 GMT -6
Also there's no reason that a lascannon has the best AP around - in fact Meltas and other comparable things are already better at 7th's AP1 (and considering tanks have saves now, I imagine there's bound to be some glorious -5 out there... maybe melta-range will do it?)
Shrug. Maybe termies did lose the 5++... but either way I think its lack of being on that part of the profile is indicative of a new USR format for it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 11:22:21 GMT -6
You know, I think the real unsung unit that is going to get a big buff from all this is the humble land raider. Thing used to get one shot by melta pretty easy, but now, its going to be like T8 with 12 wounds or something. Congrats marines, you got a Wraithknight on tread.
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Post by 1D3chan on Apr 28, 2017 11:22:42 GMT -6
Do we even need invuln saves on termies? If lascannons take them to a 5+ armour save, that's already what they have as an invuln. They might just not have one. I think this is closer to what we'll see. I mean, according to the rules, regular marines have a 6+ "Invul" against lascannons, which is better than what they would have had before. Does AoS have Invuls? I feel like everyone knew/saw it coming that 8th edition was going to borrow heavily from AoS, but it's still funny that GW was so insistent on saying it wasn't going to be similar. But as someone's boner said on here, the warscroll/unit data sheets will likely have defensive rules for units that are meant to have invuls anyway
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 11:25:35 GMT -6
It does not have "invulns". Wounds can be saved; Mortal Wounds cannot be saved. That said, some units have a X+ save against mortal wounds. That save vs. mortal wounds is like 5+ or 6+ at best.
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Post by Nick P on Apr 28, 2017 11:46:42 GMT -6
And there's also a LOT of regen mechanics at play for leader type models, lots of spells and such that help keep them alive, etc. Its basically a MOBA (and I mean that in the best way possible) - youre small guys are cannon fodder/distraction for your big hitters and characters as you try to outmeneuver the enemy. Though I guess that's the case now in 40k anyways, everything is expendable if it means you win.
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Post by jesse on Apr 28, 2017 11:48:32 GMT -6
Some units also get an X+ save against any wound caused, which is after saves and wound multiplication and sometimes includes both wounds and mortal wounds (sometimes just one or the other). And it's usually 5+ or 6+ at best like Will said (some of the Fyreslayers have 4+, I think), but you can stack them, so I think you can get Death units that can get two or three of these 6+ saves if you stack the right buffs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 13:16:58 GMT -6
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Post by Asyrean on Apr 28, 2017 19:23:35 GMT -6
Finally! Ultramarines get some screen time. About time!
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Post by 1D3chan on Apr 30, 2017 14:06:01 GMT -6
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Post by mike on Apr 30, 2017 16:14:38 GMT -6
Backlash makes sense to me. Marines have been billed as the elite force of the imperium and when we get these new super marines in that will no longer be true. It devalues the astartes brand.
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Post by 1D3chan on Apr 30, 2017 17:17:21 GMT -6
Backlash makes sense to me. Marines have been billed as the elite force of the imperium and when we get these new super marines in that will no longer be true. It devalues the astartes brand. Butts, you make a valid point on the current Brand Value Index of the Astartes™ and what this new company could do to their total Market Valuation - stockholders are getting restless
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Post by Russell on Apr 30, 2017 18:43:30 GMT -6
I don't understand all the whining. Maybe they're just a new model for the standard space marines?
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Post by mike on Apr 30, 2017 18:58:52 GMT -6
Maybe Robot is simply sending the old marines to get six sigma certified.
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