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Post by jesse on Sept 14, 2018 13:33:33 GMT -6
The second one does have nice, sharp highlights, it's just a bit brighter than I would like. I've almost finished three test models, but I'm not sure what to do about the gold. Does retributor gold look orangey or is it just the shade in the pot? I should probably get some of the Vallejo metal colors for gold soon or just use the liquid gold I have, but I'm impatient (for the metal color) and nervous about using the alcohol based paints (for the liquid gold).
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Post by Nick P on Sept 14, 2018 13:41:58 GMT -6
I used retributor armor on my lannisters and I think it works great. If you mix it properly it's a great yellowy gold, but since the metallic pigment is a bit larger you might have to actually stir it rather than just shake it.
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Post by jesse on Sept 14, 2018 13:51:20 GMT -6
Okay, cool, I'll buy a pot tomorrow. The shade in the pot just looked a bit weird, but yellowy is good for Lannisters.
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Post by Nick P on Sept 14, 2018 14:41:42 GMT -6
Yeah this is retributor armor over a grey primer, washed with reikland fleshade and drybrushed liberator gold: So its a good yellowy gold in my opinion.
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Post by jesse on Sept 17, 2018 7:58:56 GMT -6
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Post by cj on Sept 17, 2018 9:02:12 GMT -6
I like the enameled look.
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Post by jesse on Oct 1, 2018 14:36:49 GMT -6
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Post by geofflloyd on Oct 15, 2018 13:19:45 GMT -6
Taking a break from ASoIaF minis, here are some Perry miniatures I painted up. Just some dudes with spears led by a knight. I still have to paint up the shields, and I'm not sure how I want to base them, since the dirt blown fields of 40k don't seem quite appropriate. Hey Jesse, I'm really digging the look of the Perry minis. I've actually got the same Agincourt pack and I'm wondering what paint scheme you're using for the beige color and the metal? I think both are really spot on for the historical mini look.
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Post by jesse on Oct 16, 2018 7:46:04 GMT -6
Hey Jesse, I'm really digging the look of the Perry minis. I've actually got the same Agincourt pack and I'm wondering what paint scheme you're using for the beige color and the metal? I think both are really spot on for the historical mini look. For the beige I used Vallejo model color beige with, I'm pretty sure, a heavy wash of Agrax Earthsade, then drybrushed with the model color beige again, then two thin washes of Seraphim Sepia. For the metal, I used Vallejo metal color Steel as a base, then used a 50/50 mix of that and Vallejo metal color duraluminium, then for the final a 20/80 mix of steel and duraluminium (because I'm too cheap to just buy the whole range, which I really should). The Vallejo metal colors are airbrush paints, but I've almost exclusively used them as brush paints. Do you use the Perry minis with any game system or just for painting/collecting?
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Post by geofflloyd on Oct 16, 2018 9:07:11 GMT -6
Hey Jesse, I'm really digging the look of the Perry minis. I've actually got the same Agincourt pack and I'm wondering what paint scheme you're using for the beige color and the metal? I think both are really spot on for the historical mini look. For the beige I used Vallejo model color beige with, I'm pretty sure, a heavy wash of Agrax Earthsade, then drybrushed with the model color beige again, then two thin washes of Seraphim Sepia. For the metal, I used Vallejo metal color Steel as a base, then used a 50/50 mix of that and Vallejo metal color duraluminium, then for the final a 20/80 mix of steel and duraluminium (because I'm too cheap to just buy the whole range, which I really should). The Vallejo metal colors are airbrush paints, but I've almost exclusively used them as brush paints. Do you use the Perry minis with any game system or just for painting/collecting? <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="6.439999999999998" style="position: absolute; width: 34.180000000000064px; height: 6.439999999999998px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_88996710" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="6.439999999999998" style="position: absolute; width: 34.18px; height: 6.44px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1621px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_93054226" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="6.439999999999998" style="position: absolute; width: 34.18px; height: 6.44px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 260px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_44229654" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="6.439999999999998" style="position: absolute; width: 34.18px; height: 6.44px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1621px; top: 260px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_12591286" scrolling="no"></iframe> Okay got it, thanks! Definitely glad I asked because that sounds pretty sophisticated. I like the addition of seraphim after agrax, and I think that's what mine are missing are a little variation in the depth. I think that's important for military miniatures (versus fantasy/40k minis), in my opinion. Also interesting mix with the metal. Would you opt to use a different metal if you owned it? I'm just using oily steel with nuln and it looks pretty good, but it doesn't really shout "metal" even if it looks good from a technical point of view. I use these guys for my DnD games since I find it very difficult to find a good supply of "town guard" or "soldier guy" from other sources. This pack had a good variety of weapons (ranged, polearm, sword). I'm also looking at some frostgrave stuff, and some recent viking stuff from another company. I saw you have a whole bunch of historical minis. Are they all stand ins for Game of Thrones, or do you play other games?
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Post by jesse on Oct 16, 2018 9:52:51 GMT -6
I would use a wider range of the Vallejo Metal Color line (which is a distinct paint line from the metals in their Model and Game lines). Steel is a good base because it's super dark and has pretty good coverage, but I would build up with some of the lighter but still dark shades. I just bought one of the darkest and the lightest and mix for anything in between which is hard and time consuming. Another thing is you might want to try a watered down black ink instead of nuln oil wash because the GW washes go on sort of matte, while inks are glossier and won't kick out the shine as much. For better advice than I could ever give, check out Vince Venturella's video on the metal color line. Also, any of his other videos.
I originally started getting these dudes to use as a Ninth Age army, but then as interest at the Dojo in the Ninth Age died and my own interest in it died (just too much of a change from Fantasy, maybe I'll check it out later), I sort of stalled on my original project. I got some more to use in an Osprey game called Lion Rampant, which is a simple, skirmish level historical game (though, skirmish for historicals is basically the size of a 40k army). I'd also be open to trying Hail Caesar or something more rank-and-flank at some point.
The Frostgrave minis are cool, and I'm guessing you got either Saga stuff or Gripping Beast minis for the Vikings? If not, you should check those out. Pretty much all the historical minis I have are the Perry's for the sort of late medieval/early modern period, though I did make a stupid impulse decision at Adepticon and bought a bunch of Louis XIV era minis that have sat in a box since Adepticon and will likely never be built.
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Post by geofflloyd on Oct 16, 2018 12:19:25 GMT -6
I would use a wider range of the Vallejo Metal Color line (which is a distinct paint line from the metals in their Model and Game lines). Steel is a good base because it's super dark and has pretty good coverage, but I would build up with some of the lighter but still dark shades. I just bought one of the darkest and the lightest and mix for anything in between which is hard and time consuming. Another thing is you might want to try a watered down black ink instead of nuln oil wash because the GW washes go on sort of matte, while inks are glossier and won't kick out the shine as much. For better advice than I could ever give, check out Vince Venturella's video on the metal color line. Also, any of his other videos. I originally started getting these dudes to use as a Ninth Age army, but then as interest at the Dojo in the Ninth Age died and my own interest in it died (just too much of a change from Fantasy, maybe I'll check it out later), I sort of stalled on my original project. I got some more to use in an Osprey game called Lion Rampant, which is a simple, skirmish level historical game (though, skirmish for historicals is basically the size of a 40k army). I'd also be open to trying Hail Caesar or something more rank-and-flank at some point. The Frostgrave minis are cool, and I'm guessing you got either Saga stuff or Gripping Beast minis for the Vikings? If not, you should check those out. Pretty much all the historical minis I have are the Perry's for the sort of late medieval/early modern period, though I did make a stupid impulse decision at Adepticon and bought a bunch of Louis XIV era minis that have sat in a box since Adepticon and will likely never be built. Thanks for the tip on the videos. I've been looking to up my game on painting with metallics. Most of the 40k stuff I do involves corroded metal (Death guard), so I haven't had much chance to make battle-ready metal. I've only painted the perry minis ad-hoc and still have a lot left, so I'll definitely look into it more. Plus, my friend printed a paladin he wants me to paint, which is 95% metal. I'll look into inks as well. Definitely some research needed. This is the viking stuff I was thinking of. I have absolutely no need for it, but when has that stopped me? I'm usually able to justify it by finding a way to jam it into my DnD campaign though. us-store.warlordgames.com/products/viking-raiding-party/?variant=48935658063Thanks for your help!
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Post by jesse on Oct 19, 2018 8:13:19 GMT -6
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Post by Nick P on Oct 19, 2018 9:07:11 GMT -6
I'm really really digging that basing dude, what are you using? Any specific techniques? Looks really realistic!
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Post by jesse on Oct 19, 2018 10:09:48 GMT -6
I'm really really digging that basing dude, what are you using? Any specific techniques? Looks really realistic! I use the Vallejo Earth Texture: Desert Sand to, like, lazily "sculpt" a base. Then you have to let that cure for, like, a day. Prime it dark grey/black, drybrush/zenithal airbrush it a medium grey, then drybrush it Vallejo Pale Sand. Then a watered down Sepia ink over all of it (except stones, none of which are here) and super lightly drybrush Vallejo Sunny Skintone. Then, over that, I used Woodland Scenics Fine Turf in Burnt Grass (primary shade), Weeds (darker shade), and Yellow Grass (light shade): I just did very mild, place sprinkling of the second two with the Burnt Grass over everything. For the Vallejo Texture/dirt stuff, watch this ( Basics of Basing) and this ( Basing Part 2). For the flock stuff, I used this as inspiration for what direction to go, but it doesn't quite apply to something as small as a base ( Flocking like a Pro!).
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