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Post by Nick P on Jan 6, 2017 15:37:21 GMT -6
I think, might even be desperate allies. Basically they can't join each other's units, use powers on each other, or use transports (cultists in a tyrannocyte would be tight).
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jan 6, 2017 16:28:40 GMT -6
They're allies of convenience
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Post by jbragg77 on Jan 7, 2017 16:01:04 GMT -6
When making a list, should one approach this tournament with the mindset of:
A. "While my opponents will be fielding the most competitive lists they can, they will still be playing in such a way that the representation of the battle is consistent with the fluff of fighting a pitched strategic battle"
B. "A plurality of my opponent will be playing with the notation of winning at all costs, therefore to play at this level I should also build a list that disregards any notion of a 'fighting a pitched strategic battle', and instead focus on pushing and bending all the rules, understanding that all the battles configured as such are going to look silly on the tabletop."
I ask, because I submitted my list to Madison without considering this.
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Post by 1D3chan on Jan 8, 2017 8:48:41 GMT -6
This is meant to be a total fluffhammer / Oldhammer event as it has been the past handful of times
WAAC / ITC / LVO is definitely strongly discouraged. There will also be a fluff portion of this tournament that I will email out closer to the event that will score you points / influence your final standing.
That being said, it's still a tournament, it's still a game, your goal is still to win.
A good idea is to bring capable units but don't run a netlist or net-formation (If someone sent me an Optimized Stealth Cadre or a Skyhammer Annilation Force, I'd ask them to take it out. Likewise if someone spammed scatterbikes & Warp Spiders (only a true turd would do this) in their CAD, I would do the same). Very generally, if a unit is already powerful, I like to stick to the 'rule of 1' meaning 1 Riptide, 1 Knight, 1 Grav Dev squad, is almost always going to be okay. Multiple Units are mostly reserved for armies that need it to compete.
You are free to send me a different army list come the deadline.
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Post by Nick P on Jan 8, 2017 8:58:04 GMT -6
Justin from past experiences with this group and the tournaments Madison runs, its a really fun time with little to no dickishness.
Some of the lists will have a deathstar and make use of competitive units. It is afterall a tournament - thunder wolf stars, ork biker stars, drop pods and grav centurions, Doug, etc.
What you won't see are people willfully taking every advantage and bending the rules into obscurity - no eldar seer councils with riptide wing and hive tyrants.
Since this one also allows for lords of war and formations, it may lean more towards hard nosed competition - but the group is a fun one, and likely won't abuse it if I had to wager.
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Post by OneEyeRob on Jan 11, 2017 10:32:41 GMT -6
I'm going to come spectate.
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Post by Dougtrio on Jan 11, 2017 15:38:20 GMT -6
I'll be there to spectateat too! Also to poach top talent for the Adepticon team tourney. You gotta buy your students hookers to keep the school #1 knowwhatimsaying
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Post by jbragg77 on Jan 11, 2017 15:48:57 GMT -6
I have no clue what you're saying but nod along anyways
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Post by Russell on Jan 23, 2017 22:17:12 GMT -6
Sorry if this has been covered or if it's obvious but with regards to infantry scoring: does stuff on bikes and in suits (like crisis suits) that are still infantry count as scoring, or are we just talking about boots on the ground?
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jan 23, 2017 23:17:07 GMT -6
To add on: are non-scoring units still able to deny? Are non-scoring units with objective secured able to deny scoring units with obsec?
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Post by Nick P on Jan 24, 2017 8:26:36 GMT -6
Sorry if this has been covered or if it's obvious but with regards to infantry scoring: does stuff on bikes and in suits (like crisis suits) that are still infantry count as scoring, or are we just talking about boots on the ground? Infantry is the model type - so infantry, jump pack infantry, and jet pack infantry are the only 3 that would score. MCs, bikes, jetbikes, skimmers, transports, flyers, GMCs, FMCs, are all *not* infantry. So crisis suits count, because they're jet pack infantry. Bikes don't, because believe it or not, they have the "bike" type lol
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Post by Nick P on Jan 24, 2017 8:27:48 GMT -6
To add on: are non-scoring units still able to deny? Are non-scoring units with objective secured able to deny scoring units with obsec? Nope - since they aren't scoring, they effectively lose objective secured. If a unit can't hold an objective, a rule that says "it always counts as holding an objective over a unit without this rule" doesn't come into play.
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jan 24, 2017 8:56:43 GMT -6
To add on: are non-scoring units still able to deny? Are non-scoring units with objective secured able to deny scoring units with obsec? Nope - since they aren't scoring, they effectively lose objective secured. If a unit can't hold an objective, a rule that says "it always counts as holding an objective over a unit without this rule" doesn't come into play. Actually, I've come to the opposite conclusion RAW. As you said, Obsec reads "over a unit without this rule". Obsec rhinos (for example) have that rule even if it isn't active. Thus, RAW, Obsec infantry could not score if an Obsec rhino was contesting because it has the rule too.
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Post by mcsardo on Jan 24, 2017 8:59:58 GMT -6
But scoring trumps obsec. Like in 6th when only Troops choices could score. So I would interpret Madison's as only infantry could score or contest. A Rhino could de facto deny by blocking off an objective, but couldn't get a point.
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jan 24, 2017 9:06:48 GMT -6
Ok, cause in 7th, most units that have rules stating they aren't scoring specify that they can still contest objectives (ie. Lone Wolves). If the rule is that only infantry can score or contest, that's fine.
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