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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 17:40:54 GMT -6
Na. Bring your whole army in from reserves cult ambush style. We cant lose if neither of us has anything on the board right? Lol Interestingly enough it's actually not possible to null deploy completely with GSC in a cad. None of the troops choices have infiltrate so at bare minimum we'll have to have two units on the table at the start. It's the main reason I didn't bring GSC to the last event. That said, the subterranean uprising formation grants infiltrate, so there is atleast one way to get acolytes to ambush in turn 1.
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Post by 1D3chan on Jan 6, 2017 0:43:26 GMT -6
12 Players! Biggest event yet. I can't guarantee it won't suck as Jeff's Dad will be there again, but it's worth a shot.
A couple things to keep in mind:
- The CAD is mandatory, the formations are not
- The Static Objective VP's / Hold Ground VP's (Poker Chips) can only be scored by any infantry models from the CAD - not just your troops (This means that infantry models in your optional formations can not score)
- Infantry Troops in the CAD are still ObSec as well, so they will win an objective over a non-troop infantry enemy model. Non-Infantry Troop Choices in the CAD are not ObSec (because they can't score anyway) If this point is confusing, I'll be able to tell you exactly what can score for you when you send me your list.
- Universal Modified Skyfire: In every game, a unit that remains completely stationary in the movement phase (whole unit, no pivoting or shuffling) will hit Zooming or Swooping Flyers with BS2 (5+ to hit) instead of Snap Shots
- LoW / GC / SH will be worth 1 VP for every 3 HP or Wounds stripped (in addition to giving up first turn automatically)
- If you bring a Fortification, your opponent chooses table sides
- There is a chance we'll be playing on 4x4 boards (though this is not definite) so you may want to keep that in mind
- Secondary Objectives: Slay The Warlord, LineBreaker, First Strike and Fully-Painted 3-Color
-...One more new and good curveball to come - gather your fluff for this tournament
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Post by jbragg77 on Jan 6, 2017 2:26:18 GMT -6
Madison,
Do things such as Dark Angels and Cognis Weapons now shoot at BS3 using Universal Modified Snapfire?
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Post by Nick P on Jan 6, 2017 8:04:44 GMT -6
Man that skyfire thing is awesome, makes my idea of bringing 2 tyrants a little shifty. Maybe doubling up on tervigons to guarantee I'll be grabbing all the objectives will be better? Hmmmmm
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jan 6, 2017 9:38:49 GMT -6
What's the rationale behind making formation infantry non-scoring? Personally that is a barrier to me bringing nids, since I have to use a cultists formation as my main source of infantry. It may be totally justified, but it's definitely pushing me towards a straight marine Cad.
Also, are non-scoring units still able to deny?
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Post by 1D3chan on Jan 6, 2017 11:04:55 GMT -6
jbragg - Modified Skyfire will only ever change Snap Shots to BS2. For the sake of clarity, any other skyfire/modified skyfire will be left as is. So to answer your question - no, I don't believe the example you gave would be changed or improved further
Formely Mantis - The other...3? or 2 tournaments have been only CAD's for more of an Oldhammer feel and have gone really well. I'm experimenting with every tournament allowing more and more things and seeing if it still stays fun and not meta-warhammer competitive. The added formation is really only there so people can play certain armies at all - I learned for instance that a GSC army really can't even compete normally with just a CAD. I have no doubt that this will present problems for some other books but the idea is to keep the unique special rules to a minimum if everyone is using a CAD. In the past, I also gave CAD Troops really good bonuses that people would pay huge points for. As of right now, I'm deciding not to do that but I may still incorporate it into a mission or two.
Nipple Horns - That's good, the point of these modifiers and restrictions is to try to curb possible abuse lists.
If this tournament ends up screwing Nids, that isn't the point but i'll keep that in mind for sure. I know that I've run tournaments in the past where 60 Termagants all of a sudden get rending or ignores cover for the whole game...they didn't look so bad. So we will have to see
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jan 6, 2017 11:23:03 GMT -6
Haha yeah I get that. Its possibly just my situation, but due to current meta, my nids army is like 1500 points of MCs and 300 points of infantry. So I rely on GSC for boots on the ground. I'll see what I can come up with using GSC as the CAD.
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Post by Nick P on Jan 6, 2017 12:11:27 GMT -6
I think the biggest issue with GSC is they are so squishy that they almost have to use formations or their unique detachment to cover some of those shortcomings.
However, one of the main drawbacks of a CAD is not having easy access to Cult Ambush. If say there were mission rules or Troop Traits like we've had that granted infiltrate...well, suddenly your CAD can do the things that your formstions can, while still being able to hold objectives.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 12:33:49 GMT -6
I think the biggest issue with GSC is they are so squishy that they almost have to use formations or their unique detachment to cover some of those shortcomings. However, one of the main drawbacks of a CAD is not having easy access to Cult Ambush. If say there were mission rules or Troop Traits like we've had that granted infiltrate...well, suddenly your CAD can do the things that your formstions can, while still being able to hold objectives. Yeah, thats EXACTLY the issue(s) GSC have. They need infiltrate in order to use Cult Ambush to the most effect but only get infiltrate in the Cult Uprising detachment. You can make a perfectly fine CAD using Neophytes and hoping them around with Return to the Shadows, but acolytes are much less effective in a CAD. Your looking at a turn 2-3 charge if your lucky, and giving your opponent extra chances to shoot at you. If the GSC player goes second, the CAD options are even worse. But, thems the breaks.
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jan 6, 2017 12:35:35 GMT -6
Yeah. I was gonna bring subterranean Uprising and a Nid cad, but now I'm considering running with a GSC cad and a Nid allied detachment. Although I'll still have no way to take objectives in turn 1 cause I don't have infiltrate. Which is why I may just stick with marines.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 12:41:16 GMT -6
Yeah. I was gonna bring subterranean Uprising and a Nid cad, but now I'm considering running with a GSC cad and a Nid allied detachment. Although I'll still have no way to take objectives in turn 1 cause I don't have infiltrate. Which is why I may just stick with marines. Don't know how many Purestrain you have, but they will have infiltrate in the CAD and can score. No objective secured though, so they could only grab uncontested objectives.
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Post by Russell on Jan 6, 2017 12:47:22 GMT -6
Where do Tyranids and GSC stand on the allies table? I remember this being an issue when they first were released.
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jan 6, 2017 12:54:36 GMT -6
Friends with (no) benefits
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Post by Russell on Jan 6, 2017 13:00:15 GMT -6
allies of convenience?
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Post by mcsardo on Jan 6, 2017 14:00:13 GMT -6
To bring space clowns or not to bring space clowns....that is the question
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