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Post by rogerspacem on Jul 7, 2016 10:24:55 GMT -6
To be fair he took out the melee knight per my request, due to the fact I didn't have any super walkers. If the other knight was there I think we all be singing a different story, or if both knights were there. Besides we were pretty much neck to neck to one another till round 3, cause at that point everyone was locked into combat and knight couldn't fire with the rest of the crawlers.
Also we were using the cities of death rules, which was just more buildings.
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Post by armondhammer on Jul 8, 2016 12:49:18 GMT -6
Well looks like I am going to be headed to Gen Con for the ITC tournament. Thinking of altering the list just a tad. Tell me your thoughts.
WAR CONVOCATION DETACHMENT
Battle Congregation 1 Tech-Priest Dominus w/ Skryer Skull Perspectus (Autocaducus of Arken Land) , Infoslave Skull, Digital Weapons, Stasis Field, Artificer Armor, Volkite Blaster, Macrostubber.
3 Kataphron Destroyers w/ Heavy Grav-Cannon, Cognis Flamer.
3 Kataphron Destroyers w/ Heavy Grav-Cannon, Cognis Flamer.
Skitarii Battle Maniple 1 Skitarii Ranger Alpha w/ Arc Maul, Galvanic Rifle, Digital Weapons, Conversion Field, Skull of Elder Nikola. 1 Skitarii Ranger w/ Omnispex, Galvanic Rifle. 2 Skitarii Rangers w/ Transuranic Arquebus. 1 Skitarii Ranger w/ Galvanic Rifles
1 Skitarii Vanguard Alpha w/ Arc Maul, Phosphenix, Digital Weapons, Conversion Field. 1 Skitarii Vanguard w/ Omnispex, Radium Carbine. 5 Skitarii Vanguard w/ Radium Carbine. 3 Skitarii Vanguards w/ Plasma Caliver.
1 Sicarian Ruststalker Princeps w/ Transonic Razor, Chordclaw, Prehensile Dataspike, Sicarian Battle Armor, Mindscrambler Grenades, Digital Weapons, Conversion Field, The Omniscient Mask. 4 Sicarian Ruststalkers w/ Transonic Razor, Chordclaw, Mindscrambler Grenades, Sicarian Battle Armor.
1 Sicarian Infiltrator Princeps w/ Sicarian Battle Armor, Flechette Blaster, The Phase Taser, Conversion Field, Digital Weapons, Infoslave Skull. 4 Sicarian Infiltrators w/ Sicarian Battle Armor, Flechette Blasters, Taser Goads.
1 Sydonian Dragoon w/ Taser Lance, Phosphor Serpenta, Incense Cloud, Broad-spectrum Data Teather, Searchlight.
3 Onager Dunecrawler w/ Icarus Array- Twin Autocannon, Gattling Rockets, Daedalus Missiles, Broad-spectrum Data Teather, Emanatus Force Field, Searchlight, Cognis Heavy Stubber, Cognis Manipulator, Mindscanner Probe.
Oathsworn Knight Detachment 1 Knight Crusader w/ Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon w/ Heavy Stubber, Avenger Gattling Cannon w/ Heavy Flamer, Heavy Stubber, Stormspear Rocket Pod.
OFFICIO ASSASSINORUM DETACHMENT
1 Vindicare Assassin
Tell me what you think... any weaknesses you can for see any problems with the list?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 12:52:48 GMT -6
If your going for fun, it looks like a strong list that will definitely get you to the middle of the pack. If your looking to place at all, I'd recommend taking a Flesh Tearers Detachment, nabbing drop pods for the short range infantry, and swapping the Vindicare for the Anti-Psyker assassin. You will 100% meet several warp spider spam & psychic death stars lists, be prepared for both.
*Unless of course they are using the Draft FAQs, in which case you'll have to foot slog. Might be worth picking up a VSG if you can't get Pods.*
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Post by armondhammer on Jul 8, 2016 12:56:57 GMT -6
Cant load troops in allied transports at the start of the game anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 12:58:59 GMT -6
Cant load troops in allied transports anymore. You can in ITC atm, unless the tournament changes that. ITC vote happened a week ago and rejected the Draft FAQs meaning battle-brother troops are still in. That will be the case for the next three months until the next ITC vote, or until GW finalizes the FAQs and a vote occurs. If you don't follow the ITC regularly I recommend you thoroughly read through their rules, they have several rules changes and addendum to regular 40k. You can read up on the most recent changes here: www.frontlinegaming.org/2016/06/27/signals-from-the-frontline-itc-2016-second-quarter-poll-results/
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Post by armondhammer on Jul 8, 2016 13:23:42 GMT -6
I think the big problem for me is I dont own any space Marines, Drop Pods The Culuxes assasin is a good idea
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Post by armondhammer on Jul 8, 2016 15:00:05 GMT -6
ok here is another option including the VSG
WAR CONVOCATION DETACHMENT
Battle Congregation 1 Tech-Priest Dominus w/ Autocaducus of Arken Land , Infoslave Skull, Digital Weapons, Stasis Field, Artificer Armor, Volkite Blaster, Macrostubber.
5 Kataphron Destroyers w/ Heavy Grav-Cannon, Cognis Flamer.
3 Kataphron Breachers W/ Heavy Arc Rifle, Hydraulic Claw
Skitarii Battle Maniple 1 Skitarii Ranger Alpha w/ Arc Maul, Galvanic Rifle, Digital Weapons, Conversion Field, Skull of Elder Nikola. 1 Skitarii Ranger w/ Omnispex, Galvanic Rifle. 2 Skitarii Rangers w/ Transuranic Arquebus. 1 Skitarii Ranger w/ Galvanic Rifles
1 Skitarii Vanguard Alpha w/ Arc Maul, Phosphenix, Digital Weapons, Conversion Field. 1 Skitarii Vanguard w/ Omnispex, Radium Carbine. 5 Skitarii Vanguard w/ Radium Carbine. 3 Skitarii Vanguards w/ Plasma Caliver.
1 Sicarian Ruststalker Princeps w/ Transonic Razor, Chordclaw, Prehensile Dataspike, Sicarian Battle Armor, Mindscrambler Grenades, Digital Weapons, Conversion Field, The Omniscient Mask. 4 Sicarian Ruststalkers w/ Transonic Razor, Chordclaw, Mindscrambler Grenades, Sicarian Battle Armor.
1 Sicarian Infiltrator Princeps w/ Sicarian Battle Armor, Flechette Blaster, The Phase Taser, Conversion Field, Digital Weapons, Infoslave Skull. 4 Sicarian Infiltrators w/ Sicarian Battle Armor, Flechette Blasters, Taser Goads.
1 Sydonian Dragoon w/ Taser Lance, Phosphor Serpenta, Incense Cloud, Broad-spectrum Data Teather, Searchlight.
1 Onager Dunecrawler w/ Icarus Array- Twin Autocannon, Gattling Rockets, Daedalus Missiles, Broad-spectrum Data Teather, Emanatus Force Field, Searchlight, Cognis Heavy Stubber, Cognis Manipulator, Mindscanner Probe.
Oathsworn Knight Detachment 1 Knight Crusader w/ Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon w/ Heavy Stubber, Avenger Gattling Cannon w/ Heavy Flamer, Heavy Stubber, Stormspear Rocket Pod.
Fortification Detachment
1 Void Shield Generator w/ 3 Projected Void Shileds
OFFICIO ASSASSINORUM DETACHMENT
1 Vindicare Assassin
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Post by mcsardo on Jul 8, 2016 15:43:02 GMT -6
I'm with Will, on switching out the vindicare for the culexus, for dealing with superfriends and demon summoning (and you'll shave 10 pts). Especially since I believe they left veil of time RAW, you'll want to shut that down. If you can find a way to get a rhino for the culexus (though I'm not sure how without bringing in some allies), it would give him some more longevity.
My other concern is that you're lacking mobility, especially with only 1 Dragoon. You can set up a solid gun line behind the VSG, but even with the dunestrider rule and outflanking, I think you might have trouble getting to objectives (But I might be completely wrong here).
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Post by armondhammer on Jul 8, 2016 15:55:27 GMT -6
The reason I was thinking the Vindicare because he ignores cover is AP 2 or 1 and can ignore Invulns if using the right round also he always gets to pick who he shoots
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 16:04:22 GMT -6
The reason I was thinking the Vindicare because he ignores cover is AP 2 or 1 and can ignore Invulns if using the right round also he always gets to pick who he shoots The down side of the Vindi is that he only deals one wound though, unless your using turbo-pen rounds (Which fall victim to the 50% wound chance). He is a great model but he has minimal use against a deathstar, considering many will be invisible and have feel no pain.
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Post by armondhammer on Jul 8, 2016 16:48:22 GMT -6
How likely is it that someone is going to get invisibility?
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Post by mcsardo on Jul 8, 2016 16:56:31 GMT -6
How likely is it that someone is going to get invisibility? With a 3 libby conclave in a deathstar, its fairly likely.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 17:48:42 GMT -6
Add in the Ultramarines Character Librarian, Tigurius, and its all but guaranteed for a Librarius conclave to get w/e powers they want.
Additionally, you now have to worry about the Sorcerer Cabal for Chaos. Their power lets them take control of an enemy unit and fire it as though it were there own. That knight can do alot of damage to your own force if the Cabal gets its hands on it. Once again cementing the value of the Culexus.
Admittedly not every list you play will have a psychic deathstar; however, many of the the top lists in many tournaments do. Some of the lists you have to look out for are:
Tau Monster Mash ---> Multiple Riptides and Storm Surges KDK Cabal ---> Fast moving & hard hitting close combat units supported by a Sorcerer Cabal (AKA stealing your best shooting unit) and a Renegade Knight Titan War Convocation ---> You know about this one White Scars Battle Company ---> Everything Scouts and everything is objective secured (hope you fight them in kill points) Necron Decurion ---> *Almost* unkillable infantry who are surprisingly fast with move through cover Warp Spider Spam ---> Can't kill what you can't see (AKA Flickerjump). Often has a wraithknight. Scatpack Jetbike Spam ---> This one isn't top tier anymore, but the amount of mobile objective secured might cause you trouble. Often has a wraithknight. Space Wolf Bark Bark Star ---> 60+ models with 2+ re-rollable cover saves, and a fair number of 3++/2++ invuln saves mixed in. Super Friends ---> The weaker bark bark star, uses ravenwing bikers and t-wolves supported by whitescars bikers Wulfen Murderpack ---> Wulfen and Landraiders, admittedly a good match-up for WarConvo with all the grav and haywire. Smashfucker ---> One unkillable Chapter master on a bike, and alot of fairly durable obj secured units. 5 Knights ---> Just what the can says, five knight titans. Sometimes take in the Chaos version for extra Dakka. Ork Big Mek Stompa ---> One big Stompa, and a lot of obj secured bikes. Mobile, and hits hard.
You can't accommodate to beat them all, but you gotta try and cover as many bases as possible.
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Post by armondhammer on Jul 8, 2016 17:51:08 GMT -6
Well it looks like the ITC has needed invisibility a bit... so still can be hit by blast weapons and only hit on 5+in CC
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Post by armondhammer on Jul 8, 2016 19:54:51 GMT -6
ok so looking something more like this.
WAR CONVOCATION DETACHMENT
Battle Congregation 1 Tech-Priest Dominus w/ Autocaducus of Arken Land , Infoslave Skull, Digital Weapons, Stasis Field, Artificer Armor, Volkite Blaster, Macrostubber.
6 Kataphron Destroyers w/ Heavy Grav-Cannon, Cognis Flamer.
3 Kataphron Breachers W/ Heavy Arc Rifle, Hydraulic Claw
Skitarii Battle Maniple 1 Skitarii Ranger Alpha w/ Arc Maul, Galvanic Rifle, Digital Weapons, Conversion Field, Skull of Elder Nikola. 1 Skitarii Ranger w/ Omnispex, Galvanic Rifle. 2 Skitarii Rangers w/ Transuranic Arquebus. 1 Skitarii Ranger w/ Galvanic Rifles
1 Skitarii Vanguard Alpha w/ Arc Maul, Phosphenix, Digital Weapons, Conversion Field. 1 Skitarii Vanguard w/ Omnispex, Radium Carbine. 1 Skitarii Vanguard w/ Radium Carbine. 2 Skitarii Vanguards w/ Plasma Caliver.
1 Sicarian Ruststalker Princeps w/ Transonic Razor, Chordclaw, Prehensile Dataspike, Sicarian Battle Armor, Mindscrambler Grenades, Digital Weapons, Conversion Field, The Omniscient Mask. 4 Sicarian Ruststalkers w/ Transonic Razor, Chordclaw, Mindscrambler Grenades, Sicarian Battle Armor.
1 Sicarian Infiltrator Princeps w/ Sicarian Battle Armor, Flechette Blaster, The Phase Taser, Conversion Field, Digital Weapons, Infoslave Skull. 4 Sicarian Infiltrators w/ Sicarian Battle Armor, Flechette Blasters, Taser Goads.
1 Sydonian Dragoon w/ Taser Lance, Phosphor Serpenta, Incense Cloud, Broad-spectrum Data Teather, Searchlight.
1 Onager Dunecrawler w/ Icarus Array- Twin Autocannon, Gattling Rockets, Daedalus Missiles, Broad-spectrum Data Teather, Emanatus Force Field, Searchlight, Cognis Heavy Stubber, Cognis Manipulator, Mindscanner Probe.
Oathsworn Knight Detachment 1 Knight Crusader w/ Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon w/ Heavy Stubber, Avenger Gattling Cannon w/ Heavy Flamer, Heavy Stubber, Stormspear Rocket Pod.
Fortification Detachment
1 Void Shield Generator w/ 3 Projected Void Shileds
OFFICIO ASSASSINORUM DETACHMENT
1 Culexus Assassin
And i just saw all attacks vs. the Assasin are at BS and WS 1 that is awesome! Also think I should do a single large squad of Destroyers or 2 3 man squads?
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