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New Guy
May 12, 2015 8:38:52 GMT -6
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Post by doubleback on May 12, 2015 8:38:52 GMT -6
Ok just watched a video so correct me if I'm wrong....I would need one more warrior group and one tomb blade minimum to get a decurian legion. Once I have that I can attach these sub groups which, if I put them together right, get the decurian bonus plus their own little sub bonus? It's essentially a bonus for assembling you troops in a specific way
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New Guy
May 12, 2015 9:01:48 GMT -6
Post by Nick P on May 12, 2015 9:01:48 GMT -6
If you bought a battle force, you should have most of what you need. Basically, to play 40k, each army has to be built one of two ways: Battle Forged, or Unbound.
Unbound means just bring whatever you want - no set organization is necessary, you can just bring any cool models you want no questions asked. However, since this is obviously prone to abuse (just bring all of the best models and that's it), rarely is this format ever played.
Battle Forged means your army is built using specific organization of your models, using Detachments and Formations, and all special bonuses and special rules that are associated with them.
In the rulebook, there are two detachments to use - and in each codex, there are additional (at least, in the newest 7th edition codexes there are). And you can use any/all of them as long as you have the models required for each.
The two in the rulebook are very basic. You have the Combined Arms detachment, which requires 1 HQ and 2 Troops, and allows up to 2 HQ, 3 Elite, 6 Troops, 3 Fast Attack, 3 Heavy Support, 1 Lord of War and 1 Fortification. The other is the Allied Detachment, which requires 1 HQ and 1 Troop, and allows up to 1 HQ, 1 Elite, 2 Troops, 1 Fast Attack, and 1 Heavy Support.
For the Necrons, the detachment associated with their codex is the Decurion Detachment. To field a Decurion Detachment, you must include at minimum 1 Reclamation Legion formation. But, once you include the Reclamation Legion formation, you unlock up to 3 Command Formations and up to 10 Auxiliary formations to create your army from.
So, to start off with Necrons using the Decurion Detachment, you have to have (at minimum) 1 Overlord, 1 Immortal unit, 2 Warrior units, and 1 Tomb Blade unit. The Battle force should come with 2 warrior units, 1 immortal units, a ghost ark, and a bunch of scarabs. So you need to add an overlord, and a unit of tomb blades, in order to create a Reclamation Legion formation and begin using the Decurion Detachment style. Since you have a command barge it sounds like you already have an overlord, so just need the tomb blades to field this formation/detachment.
Now, if you'd rather just play using the Combined Arms detachment from the main rulebook, you're more than welcome to - but you'd still need an overlord (or some other HQ unit) in order to meet the minimums required to field that detachment.
And yes, to answer your question - once you have the Reclamation Legion formation minimums, you can start to add in the Auxiliary formations - and each formation would get any/all bonuses associated with the Decurion Detachment and their specific formation as well. It's a bonus for assembling your army in a specific way.
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May 12, 2015 10:45:45 GMT -6
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Post by doubleback on May 12, 2015 10:45:45 GMT -6
Excellent, some things are starting to come together for me on this
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May 13, 2015 7:05:25 GMT -6
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Post by doubleback on May 13, 2015 7:05:25 GMT -6
Follow up question....once I have a decurian legion or other army grouping, do addional units have to conform to the pre made groups, or is anything additional ok, they just won't get the little pre made bonuses (though they still get the overall decurian bonus)
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New Guy
May 13, 2015 7:26:22 GMT -6
Post by Nick P on May 13, 2015 7:26:22 GMT -6
Everything has to conform to either a detachment or a formation - so you can't take a Reclamation Legion, and then just slap on an Annihilation Barge on its own, for example. You would have to either take another detachment (Combined Arms detachment, Allied detachment) and ALL of the minimum requirements to field it in addition to the models you wanted to bring, OR the formation in the Decurion Detachment that allows you to bring that model.
So, in our Annihilation Barge example, you could either:
Bring an Allied Detachment, including 1 HQ and 1 Troop, in order to unlock space for the 1 Annihilation Barge in the Heavy Support Slot.
OR bring an Annihilation Nexus formation, from the Decurion Detachment, which must include 2 Annihilation Barges and a Doomsday Ark.
However, the formations in the Decurion Detachment can actually be taken on their own, even if you don't use the full Decurion - if you wanted to take a Combined Arms Detachment for example (1-2 HQ, 2-6 Troops, 0-3 Elite, 0-3 Fast, 0-3 Heavy), you could also add an Annihilation Nexus formation (and get its special rules) if you wanted to (or any of the other formations - Canoptek Swarm, Judicator Battalion, Doom Scythe Wing, etc.).
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New Guy
May 13, 2015 7:48:56 GMT -6
Post by jefferestinpeace on May 13, 2015 7:48:56 GMT -6
Technically, you can't ally with yourself, but most tournaments say that's cool.
It is the most confusing era of 40k for list building, but as Nick says, everything comes in Detachments. The most commonly used Detachments are the Combined Arms Detachment outlined in the main rulebook, giving all your troops Objective Secured and allowing you to reroll your Warlord Trait. The Necron codex has a bunch of Formations (a type of detachment) that give their own bonuses. The Decurion is a Formation of Formations.
I don't know the Cron dex well enough to provide info here, but I would if I had it in front of me. Will you make it out to Wanderer's or the Dojo any time this month?
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New Guy
May 13, 2015 9:26:01 GMT -6
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Post by doubleback on May 13, 2015 9:26:01 GMT -6
My understanding is that y'all are meeting on the 31st at Wonderers, which I was going to try to be at, what's the schedule at Dojo?
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New Guy
May 13, 2015 9:28:04 GMT -6
Post by jefferestinpeace on May 13, 2015 9:28:04 GMT -6
Every Wednesday night
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May 13, 2015 9:50:21 GMT -6
Post by dex on May 13, 2015 9:50:21 GMT -6
There is normally a scheduling post that folks should try and respond on...
They have a pretty cool setup I think, its in the basement but at least 3 full size boards and loads of decent terrain. Let one of us know and we will do some starter games. Often fun to do 500pt games or 1000pt on a 4x4
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New Guy
May 13, 2015 10:20:32 GMT -6
Post by Russell on May 13, 2015 10:20:32 GMT -6
And apparently people just leave their armies there so I guess you could just steal someone's Necrons.
ps don't actually do that.
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New Guy
May 13, 2015 10:22:29 GMT -6
Post by jefferestinpeace on May 13, 2015 10:22:29 GMT -6
Q: If you steal someone's army from a store, then that person rebuys their army from said store, are you supporting that store?
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New Guy
May 13, 2015 11:00:20 GMT -6
Post by Joelercoaster on May 13, 2015 11:00:20 GMT -6
I've supported that store SO MUCH in the past 3 months.
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May 13, 2015 11:54:08 GMT -6
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Post by doubleback on May 13, 2015 11:54:08 GMT -6
I am suddenly seized with Grey Knight envy....why do they look so cool?
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Post by dex on May 13, 2015 12:25:10 GMT -6
I'm sure we could sell you some grey knights....
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May 13, 2015 13:08:45 GMT -6
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Post by doubleback on May 13, 2015 13:08:45 GMT -6
I fear that way lies poverty and madness, I'll stick to Necrons till I need a second army.....but damn do they look cool
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