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Post by Joelercoaster on Feb 17, 2015 17:59:34 GMT -6
Let's be fair... when's the last time you've seen a Shredder in a DE list in the past, oh, *literally ever*?
I think if the Shredder went up to 18" range, and gained the monofilament rule, for, say, 10 points, it would legitimately compete with the Blaster for the special weapon slot. As is, it's a codex item that may as well not be in the codex - and *that's* a problem. It's very much the deathspitter-on-an-MC of the DE book.
All that said, very excited to see those Harlies on the table. I'm really liking the formations, as most of them add some much-needed defensive boosts (or, alternatively, defense-through-offense).
Does it actually clarify how you can take Harlies as a CAD? Or can you just not, without an HQ option? Sure, you can make one of the characters a warlord and it stipulates what charts they can still get, etc, but outside of the formations, can you just run a Harlie list?
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Post by Nick P on Feb 17, 2015 20:29:51 GMT -6
Your options are basically the formations, or the Harlequin Masque detachment. With no HQ option, there is no way to run a CaD or Allied Detachment with them, which is kinda sad. Granted, no one has seen english leaks of the codex yet, so for all we know that actually might be addressed in some fashion, but from what we've seen of each unit's rules, its formations or Masque, or nothing.
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Post by Joelercoaster on Feb 17, 2015 22:40:36 GMT -6
Well, at least the formations run the gamut between "useable" and "downright awesome"... so it's no big loss. Plus, I dare say it's rather fluffy for troupes to be more... troupe... ish... rather than a fully fledged army.
I mean, really... there's one each of Troop, FA, and Heavy, plus a few Elite characters. Even if, say, the Shadow Weaver was an HQ, it'd be a sorely limited army build.
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Post by Russell on Feb 22, 2015 17:58:35 GMT -6
HOW BOUT THEM HARLIES NICK
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Post by Nick P on Feb 23, 2015 10:56:47 GMT -6
So I played a game with this exact list against Jeff yesterday, and got my ass thoroughly handed to me. Triple tyrants + Lord of War is a tough nut to crack, needless to say, but I performed exceptionally poorly against them.
I deployed poorly, didn't have the firepower I needed, and wasn't able to use my psychic powers because A) I was in a transport and didn't know that was a rule and B) GW hates the psychic phase, so made it impossible.
It has a lot of the same boosts that the DE have - fast moving, REALLY hard hitting up close. But, it doesn't have the same anti-tank and anti-MC that the DE have, the models cost more point-for-point, and everything is till AV10 HP2, which is just like...a joke.
I'll have to keep toying with it - I think going with a DE primary and a few Harlie formations might be the better bet, or else taking a lower cost harlie masque as primary, and a CaD of DE for more ravagers, venoms, etc.
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Post by Joelercoaster on Feb 23, 2015 18:23:15 GMT -6
My gut tells me taking Harlies as "allies" is a better bet... they have some fun, very, very fun, tools... but realistically they just don't have a whole *lot* of them.
I wonder if it'd be better to kit a unit out (nearly) full of one type of special weapon. Say, 7 models, 5 get the CCW of choice. Expensive, but gives them a solid "I'm good at this" feel, instead of the marine conundrum of "I'm okay at so many things!"
The Caress is obviously a tempting choice, given that it's so bloody good (PS, is there any clear interaction between it and a Gargantuan/Super Heavy? It would seem at first read that harlies are just super-good big game hunters). The Embrace, actually, I think would complement DE quite well, as outside of a couple choices (read, Razorwings), they really don't have a lot in the way of anti-horde (other than focusing fire with 12 different units). A unit of 5 Embraces should get ... well... a *lot* of solid HoW hits, which will do dirty things to chaff like gaunts and orks.
Still eager to see these clowns across from me, so let me know whenever you get time for a game!
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Post by Russell on Feb 23, 2015 21:39:42 GMT -6
Also, your shithead opponent basically brought an Adepticon ready list against an army you have literally no experience with.
What a douche.
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Feb 23, 2015 22:12:46 GMT -6
Nick could've played against anyone he wanted on Sunday. He CHOSE me.
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Post by Russell on Feb 23, 2015 22:43:48 GMT -6
It was either you, all those pricks who didn't show up, or didn't bother to bring an army.
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