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Post by Russell on Nov 10, 2014 14:22:50 GMT -6
The Maleceptor: Tyranid evolution has reached it's terrifying zenith.
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Nov 10, 2014 14:25:30 GMT -6
Why isn't there a SweetJuicyMeateceptor???
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Post by Nick P on Nov 10, 2014 14:28:56 GMT -6
Its just like...Idk man. They want the toxicrene and the maleceptor to be the epitome of venomthrope and zoanthrope evolution, and yet they make them both worse versions of the thing they're supposed to be the best versions of.
Like, why not make the toxicrene give out his shrouded like a venomthrope? Now you've got a big bad venomthrope that can throw tanks around. Awesome.
Why not give the maleceptor a version of warp blast? Why not give it the same 3++? Now you've got a tougher version of the zoanthrope that actually makes sense.
Idk man, I just don't know. Doesn't seem like they really took the rules seriously, and didn't even follow their own fluff. Boring.
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Nov 10, 2014 14:33:08 GMT -6
Especially in light of everything else. It's so off.
For the Tox, give it Fleet or Infiltrate or BIOMORPHS for god's sake. WS 5! I 4! Sv 3+! None of that would break it. NONE. It'd make it simply usable.
For the Mal, BS 4 and WC 1 would quite nearly be enough. It'd have to drop in points a bit to actually make it worth taking, but it simply wouldn't be so god damned awful.
Anyway, who the fuck cares about those losers, this other shit is nuts.
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Post by Nick P on Nov 10, 2014 14:49:39 GMT -6
And the toxicrene in a spore? Solid. Land on turn 2, shrouded + cover from spore = 3+ cover. Charge turn 3, eat biomass, rinse, repeat.
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Post by Russell on Nov 10, 2014 15:19:44 GMT -6
So what's worse, the Maleceptor, the Pyrovore, or Super AIDS?
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Post by Joelercoaster on Nov 10, 2014 15:48:06 GMT -6
Well Jeff, you can lance first, you just don't get the benefit of the bonus dice after you leech since you can't blast twice. Even so, I call a valid tactic.
25 seems fair, especially since you still get a bonus power and dominion out of it.
And yes, both of these baddies missed the mark. Toxicrene cries for the ability to buy adrenals, and really wants to give out shrouded. Maleceptor cries for any reason to exist at all.
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Post by Nick P on Nov 10, 2014 16:03:15 GMT -6
At least this WD update for Zoans showed us that they're not afraid to ret-con codex units. And the new WH app from black library shows new rules updates (ala the toxicrene and maleceptor). So there is *hope* that in the future GW can ret-con them and be like "Jk, let them have biomorphs."
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Post by Joelercoaster on Nov 10, 2014 16:28:38 GMT -6
Fun fact, they're even going so far as to put the rules on their website FOR FREE.
It's almost like they've noticed that the Tyranid Community feels like crap for being fooled into buying a half-finished codex, and really, really dislike's Gee-Dubbs right now.
Guess it's time to start asking all of those "questions" to GW, like "Was the Reaper supposed to be AP2 so that the Prime doesn't suck?", or "Were Warriors meant to have T5 so they don't get blown away before doing anything, ever?", or... you know... 50 other things.
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Post by mike on Nov 11, 2014 12:40:01 GMT -6
Is the maleceptor the bug they make when all the useful biomass has been turned into flyrants or whatever?
"The hive mind requires more bugs!"
"But all we've got left is these inner sphincters."
"Well make a maleceptor or some shit I dunno."
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Post by Nick P on Nov 11, 2014 12:41:33 GMT -6
Yeah its basically the manatee of tyranid evolution.
"Oh shit, we've still got biomass left? Well...like how much? Can we get a tyrant out of...? No? Just throw some legs on a brain lump? Yeah alright. Eyes - do we need...? No eyes? Yeah cool that works. Go get em tiger."
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Post by mike on Nov 11, 2014 12:50:09 GMT -6
Manatees that's great
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Post by mike on Nov 11, 2014 12:51:22 GMT -6
The gentle sea cow of the grim dark
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Post by Joelercoaster on Nov 11, 2014 13:12:25 GMT -6
I'd totally rather have a manatee on my side than a Maleceptor
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Nov 11, 2014 13:32:44 GMT -6
THE MANATEE - 60 pts, HS, Swimming Monstrous Creature
WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv 3 0 2 7 8 2 2 10 3+
Sea Cow: All attacks from motor boats are resolved at S10 AP2 Swimming: Treats all water as refreshing Better than the Maleceptor: If you or your opponent controls a Maleceptor, remove the model from the board Immovable Object: This unit is Objective Secured.
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