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Post by rogerspacem on Dec 21, 2017 17:11:20 GMT -6
So with the new codex out and about I noticed the dark talon dropped 40 points so it's now 160 points. The list below is silly as it lacks bodies but if I somehow get first turn I don't see hordes lasting too much. ++ Air Wing Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Dark Angels) [40 PL, 800pts] +++ Flyer +Ravenwing Dark Talon [8 PL, 160pts]: 2x Hurricane bolter Ravenwing Dark Talon [8 PL, 160pts]: 2x Hurricane bolter Ravenwing Dark Talon [8 PL, 160pts]: 2x Hurricane bolter Ravenwing Dark Talon [8 PL, 160pts]: 2x Hurricane bolter Ravenwing Dark Talon [8 PL, 160pts]: 2x Hurricane bolter ++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Dark Angels) [37 PL, 694pts] +++ Troops +Scout Squad [4 PL, 90pts]: Camo cloak . 4x Scout (Sniper rifle): 4x Sniper rifle . Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Sniper rifle Scout Squad [4 PL, 90pts]: Camo cloak . 4x Scout (Sniper rifle): 4x Sniper rifle . Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Sniper rifle Scout Squad [4 PL, 90pts]: Camo cloak . 4x Scout (Sniper rifle): 4x Sniper rifle . Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Sniper rifle Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]: 4x Scout (Boltgun) . Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun + Fast Attack +Ravenwing Darkshroud [7 PL, 138pts]: Heavy bolter + HQ +Librarian on Bike [8 PL, 131pts]: 2) Aversion, 4) Trephination, Force stave, Shroud of Heroes, Storm bolter . Space Marine bike: Twin boltgun . Warlord: Brilliant Stragegist Master [6 PL, 100pts]: Heavenfall Blade, Jump Pack, Master-crafted boltgun ++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Dark Angels) [18 PL, 506pts] +++ HQ +Ravenwing Talonmaster [188pts]. Land Speeder: Twin assault cannon, Twin heavy bolter . Talonmaster: Power sword Techmarine on Bike [6 PL, 90pts]: Power lance, Servo-arm, Storm bolter . Space Marine bike: Twin boltgun + Elites +Company Veterans [3 PL, 57pts]. Space Marine Veteran: Bolt pistol, Lascannon . Veteran Sergeant: Boltgun Company Veterans [3 PL, 57pts]. Space Marine Veteran: Bolt pistol, Lascannon . Veteran Sergeant: Boltgun Company Veterans [3 PL, 57pts]. Space Marine Veteran: Bolt pistol, Lascannon . Veteran Sergeant: Boltgun Company Veterans [3 PL, 57pts]. Space Marine Veteran: Bolt pistol, Lascannon . Veteran Sergeant: Boltgun ++ Total: [95 PL, 2000pts] ++Created with BattleScribeScouts hold the mid field while vets hold back. In center in spear head formation are the dark talons. Libby and tech on bike support. Captain drops by talons to give re-roll to one's and talon master does the same for wounds and gives ignore cover to talons. |
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Post by rogerspacem on Dec 21, 2017 17:18:40 GMT -6
If all the talons fire (assuming close range) that's 120 bolted shots hitting on 2's (assuming non flyer targets, re-rolling 1's, and ignoring cover. I'm tempted to try the list out for funnies because I feel like I don't have enough bodies on the ground to grab objectives. Still what you all think?
Also dark talons have a Heavy D3 shots resolved at str 10 Ap:-3, d:3 that if it wounds on a die roll the target unit takes additional d3 mortal wounds. Plus if they fly past a unit they can once per turn drop a bomb to deal mortal wounds base on unit size (Max 10) depending how many 4+ you make (amount of dice based on unit size.)
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Post by mike on Dec 23, 2017 19:26:26 GMT -6
I like the concept but I think you're over by about 200 points. Unless company veterans don't have minimum unit size anymore. The dark talon is really strong. If it didn't have The Best Flyer In The Game The Never Fail Jet Fighter to compete with I think you'd see it a lot more.  would you pick up five kits? I'm considering a storm raven for my death wing. Seems like a way better delivery mechanism than a land raider for fewer points. |
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Dec 23, 2017 21:41:34 GMT -6
I think company veterans are just 2-men min
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Post by mike on Dec 23, 2017 23:37:29 GMT -6
I think company veterans are just 2-men min Whaaaaaat |
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Post by rogerspacem on Dec 24, 2017 0:44:00 GMT -6
Yet Veterans are only min 2 men. As for the five kits, I already have 2 dark Talons and one more to convert. The last two are debatable but I have 2 nephilim fights I can sub for them. Again I want to try the list out before committing this much honestly I might just stick with 4. Just don't know what to take for the last 160 points.
Also what is the best jet fighter in space marines?
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Post by rogerspacem on Dec 24, 2017 0:58:46 GMT -6
Storm Raven is way better than land raider. In my opinion so yeah dwarfing in that thing is pretty good.
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Post by mike on Dec 24, 2017 1:03:05 GMT -6
Yet Veterans are only min 2 men. As for the five kits, I already have 2 dark Talons and one more to convert. The last two are debatable but I have 2 nephilim fights I can sub for them. Again I want to try the list out before committing this much honestly I might just stick with 4. Just don't know what to take for the last 160 points. Also what is the best jet fighter in space marines? I was joking about the nephilim  |
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Post by rogerspacem on Jan 11, 2018 5:46:13 GMT -6
So I had my game with Eric a few nights ago. So far the list holds up, the fear of losing boots on the ground is pretty real. If I am able to hide or move my characters around the dark talons then it can work. Still the list packs a big punch. Going to try out the list a couple more times but I might swap out the ravenwing talonmaster. For 188 points for a power sword (aka the heavenfall sword) and twin bolters and twin assault cannons. He isn't bad, considering he gives re-rolls to 1's for wounds and grants ignores cover. However I feel like a lieutenant with jump Pack can fill the role of the wounding part, and gives him more flexibility to appear anywhere on the board. Also with the spare points I can afford an whirlwind with the str 7 ap:-1 missiles (granted not as good as an talonmaster in terms of offense but at least I can shot any where on the board. Below is my purposed list. ++ Air Wing Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Dark Angels) [40 PL, 800pts] +++ Flyer +Ravenwing Dark Talon [8 PL, 160pts]: 2x Hurricane bolter Ravenwing Dark Talon [8 PL, 160pts]: 2x Hurricane bolter Ravenwing Dark Talon [8 PL, 160pts]: 2x Hurricane bolter Ravenwing Dark Talon [8 PL, 160pts]: 2x Hurricane bolter Ravenwing Dark Talon [8 PL, 160pts]: 2x Hurricane bolter ++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Dark Angels) [37 PL, 669pts] +++ Troops +Scout Squad [4 PL, 70pts]: Camo cloak, 4x Scout (Boltgun) . Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun Scout Squad [4 PL, 70pts]: Camo cloak, 4x Scout (Boltgun) . Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun Scout Squad [4 PL, 70pts]: Camo cloak, 4x Scout (Boltgun) . Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun Scout Squad [4 PL, 70pts]: Camo cloak, 4x Scout (Boltgun) . Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun + Fast Attack +Ravenwing Darkshroud [7 PL, 138pts]: Heavy bolter + HQ +Librarian [8 PL, 122pts]: 2) Aversion, 6) Mind Wipe, Force sword, Jump Pack, Storm bolter Master [6 PL, 129pts]: Combi-plasma, Jump Pack, Relic blade, Shroud of Heroes . Warlord: Brilliant Stragegist ++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Dark Angels) [28 PL, 531pts] +++ Heavy Support +Whirlwind [5 PL, 104pts]: Whirlwind vengeance launcher + HQ +Lieutenants [5 PL, 85pts]. Lieutenant: Heavenfall Blade, Jump Pack, Master-crafted boltgun + Elites +Company Veterans [3 PL, 57pts]. Space Marine Veteran: Bolt pistol, Lascannon . Veteran Sergeant: Boltgun Company Veterans [3 PL, 57pts]. Space Marine Veteran: Bolt pistol, Lascannon . Veteran Sergeant: Boltgun Company Veterans [3 PL, 57pts]. Space Marine Veteran: Bolt pistol, Lascannon . Veteran Sergeant: Boltgun Company Veterans [3 PL, 57pts]. Space Marine Veteran: Bolt pistol, Lascannon . Veteran Sergeant: Boltgun Company Veterans [3 PL, 57pts]. Space Marine Veteran: Bolt pistol, Lascannon . Veteran Sergeant: Boltgun Company Veterans [3 PL, 57pts]. Space Marine Veteran: Bolt pistol, Lascannon . Veteran Sergeant: Boltgun ++ Total: [105 PL, 2000pts] ++Created with BattleScribe |
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Post by rogerspacem on Apr 9, 2018 14:00:44 GMT -6
Ok got another list for my dark angels. -Azrael, dark shroud, techmarine, and predators hang back. -talon master and dark talons move forward. - scouts screen/hold objectives. - boots on the ground with heavy bees hide and come out to fire H.B.'S for the d3 mortal wounds. Otherwise hide to hold objectives. ++ Air Wing Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Dark Angels) [24 PL, 480pts] +++ Flyer +Ravenwing Dark Talon [8 PL, 160pts]: 2x Hurricane bolter Ravenwing Dark Talon [8 PL, 160pts]: 2x Hurricane bolter Ravenwing Dark Talon [8 PL, 160pts]: 2x Hurricane bolter ++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Dark Angels) [64 PL, 1229pts] +++ HQ +Azrael [9 PL, 180pts]. Warlord: Brilliant Stragegist Ravenwing Talonmaster [9 PL, 188pts]. Land Speeder: Twin assault cannon, Twin heavy bolter . Talonmaster: Heavenfall Blade + Troops +Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]: 4x Scout (Boltgun) . Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]: 4x Scout (Boltgun) . Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]: 4x Scout (Boltgun) . Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun + Fast Attack +Ravenwing Darkshroud [7 PL, 138pts]: Heavy bolter + Heavy Support +Predator [9 PL, 186pts]: Hunter-killer missile, Predator autocannon . Two lascannons: 2x Lascannon Predator [9 PL, 186pts]: Hunter-killer missile, Predator autocannon . Two lascannons: 2x Lascannon Predator [9 PL, 186pts]: Hunter-killer missile, Predator autocannon . Two lascannons: 2x Lascannon ++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Dark Angels) [20 PL, 290pts] +++ HQ +Lieutenants [4 PL, 63pts]. Lieutenant: Chainsword, Master-crafted boltgun Techmarine [4 PL, 59pts]: Chainsword, Servo-arm, Storm bolter + Elites +Company Veterans [3 PL, 42pts]. Space Marine Veteran: Chainsword, Heavy bolter . Veteran Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Chainsword Company Veterans [3 PL, 42pts]. Space Marine Veteran: Chainsword, Heavy bolter . Veteran Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Chainsword Company Veterans [3 PL, 42pts]. Space Marine Veteran: Chainsword, Heavy bolter . Veteran Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Chainsword Company Veterans [3 PL, 42pts]. Space Marine Veteran: Chainsword, Heavy bolter . Veteran Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Chainsword ++ Total: [108 PL, 1999pts] ++Created with BattleScribe |
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would you pick up five kits?
