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Post by jesse on Sept 25, 2017 11:29:43 GMT -6
So this raises a question: which set of special stratagems do you use or can you use both? Can Death Guard use Death Guard stratagems while the Alpha Legion use Alpha Legion/CSM stratagems or can the army as a whole only use the stratagems that correspond to their warlord (i.e. the army would get access to Alpha Legion/CSM stratagems and the rulebook ones)?
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Post by daniel, why on Sept 25, 2017 12:04:59 GMT -6
It depends on the stratagem, but basically you get access to all of them.
Almost all of the Legion- or God-specific ones will list like Black Legion Daemon Engines or Slaanesh Infantry or some restriction on who can benefit, or who draws range. So as long as you've got the Keywords on the board, you're good.
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Post by doubleback on Sept 25, 2017 13:01:43 GMT -6
Whichever detachment you choose to hold your warlord, you can use whatever warlord traits etc. that that detachment would allow. Likewise, each detachment gets whatever legion traits/special rules apply to the keywords within. So if you, say, built an army like (just making this up): Battalion Detachment - Death Guard
- 7 Plague Marines
- 7 Plague Marines
- 20 Pox Walkers
Supreme Command Detachment - Alpha Legion- Sorcerer - Alpha Legion, Dark Hereticus
- Sorcerer - Alpha Legion, Dark Hereticus
- Sorcerer - Alpha Legion, Dark Hereticus
- Chaos Land Raider - Alpha Legion
You could make one of the DG characters your warlord, or one of the AL characters your warlord, and then get access to either the DG warlord traits or CSM warlord traits respectively. But the DG detachment would get to use all of the DG rules and traits, the AL detachment would get to use all the AL rules and traits. They just wouldn't cross over - ie, the AL stuff doesn't get disgustingly resilient, and the DG stuff doesn't get the infiltrate rules for AL. But the overall army is battle forged, and both detachments keep their flavor.
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Post by doubleback on Sept 25, 2017 13:04:57 GMT -6
Unfortunately now I have to buy like 4 codexs and a strap-on before I even start looking at models
Do I need the original books too? I believe you mentioned they had some units not in the codex....
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Post by rogerspacem on Sept 25, 2017 13:09:47 GMT -6
Get a codex for death guard and just the codex for chaos space marines. Daemons just have the index but honestly battle scribe does a good job at getting their info down correctly. Otherwise if you have questions about daemons I'll be happy to answer them.
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Post by doubleback on Sept 25, 2017 13:18:46 GMT -6
I have literally 0 understanding of how demons work, so I guess I have all of the questions.
So don't worry about the GW indexs for the moment?
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Sept 25, 2017 13:32:27 GMT -6
Also note that several daemon units have rules in the deathguard and csm codexes.
And if you want to start small, just go with the death guard codex until you want to move on to other legions or units.
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Post by Nick P on Sept 25, 2017 13:54:06 GMT -6
I have literally 0 understanding of how demons work, so I guess I have all of the questions. So don't worry about the GW indexs for the moment? Don't worry about the indexes. All of the Chaos codexes will be out before december, so you'd be throwing away money at this point. Grab CSM and grab DG - but start with whichever portion of the army you want to build first (or if you have the Dark Imperium DG stuff, start there obviously). Don't jump all in and get burnt out - slow burn baby. And don't worry about the strap on you can borrow one of mine |
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Post by doubleback on Sept 25, 2017 14:11:55 GMT -6
I have literally 0 understanding of how demons work, so I guess I have all of the questions. So don't worry about the GW indexs for the moment? Don't worry about the indexes. All of the Chaos codexes will be out before december, so you'd be throwing away money at this point. Grab CSM and grab DG - but start with whichever portion of the army you want to build first (or if you have the Dark Imperium DG stuff, start there obviously). Don't jump all in and get burnt out - slow burn baby. And don't worry about the strap on you can borrow one of mine I have some concerns in regards to borrowed strap-ons. Honestly I feel like we all should. |
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Post by doubleback on Sept 25, 2017 14:40:49 GMT -6
In all seriousness though my plan is to start with DG, get about 2k worth of points, then expand out. There are definitely other Chaos units I want that are not usable by DG (maulerfiends) and ideally I would slowly build a chaos undivided force that, with Orks, will eventually fill a dump truck with models.
Once the Necron codex drops I will take a serious look at selling them.
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Post by Nick P on Sept 25, 2017 16:58:24 GMT -6
Once the necron codex drops I'll take a serious look at buying all your necrons
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Post by doubleback on Sept 26, 2017 10:20:14 GMT -6
Should I be concerned that a quite a few key new DG models don't appear to actually exist for purchase?
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Post by cj on Sept 26, 2017 11:00:26 GMT -6
GW is rolling out the new models every week. Everything will be out within a month.
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Post by Nick P on Sept 26, 2017 11:02:08 GMT -6
Should I be concerned that a quite a few key new DG models don't appear to actually exist for purchase? GW release all the models at once? Come on man you know better than that lol They're releasing all the models over the next few weeks - all of them will be out and available by mid october. |
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Post by doubleback on Sept 26, 2017 11:32:14 GMT -6
Man I joined in late 7th, with an army that has a relatively low model variety. I have no history with a new edition like you old men.
Good to know they like to stagger bleeding g me dry
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