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Post by doubleback on Sept 22, 2017 16:30:37 GMT -6
So, am I correct in the following statement?
Each chapter has its own special ability....but within each chapter you can have troops devoted to any or all chaos gods. So for instance I could be Thousand Sons, but feature plague marines and Khorn Berzerkers? They would then get the chapter bonus on top of any bonus offered by their God? They would be Nurgle or Koran devotees within the Thousand Sons.
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Post by daniel, why on Sept 23, 2017 7:44:09 GMT -6
You are mostly correct, but four of the Traitor legions can only feature units from their respective Chaos god. All the other legions can feature whatever mash up of Chaos-marked units you want.
So your example would not work, as Thousand Sons detachments can't have non-Tzeentch keyword units, even if it's not an option. Berzerkers are stuck with the Khorne keyword so they're out.
I think the legion/god matchups are: Tzeentch for Thousand Sons Slaanesh for Emperor's Children Khorne for World Eaters Nurgle for Death Guard
That being said, you could have a patrol detachment of like a Renegade <Legion> or World Eaters with some Khorne Berzerkers. Then you would still be Battle Forged and each detachment would benefit from the <Legion> traits.
Hope that makes sense.
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Post by doubleback on Sept 23, 2017 9:51:50 GMT -6
Ok i was confused, so Deathguard is it's own legion. So, for instance, if I wanted to play pure Nurgle I would probably go Deathguard, but if I want Chaos undivided I could go Alpha legion.
Is it best to start with one God then branch out, or vice-versa?
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Post by Nick P on Sept 23, 2017 10:09:34 GMT -6
Well it depends what you want to do- if one if the canon legions pulls you, go that route. World eaters, emperors children, alpha legion, black legion, nightlords, iron warriors, word bearers all have some cool special relics and rules and strategems and only 2 of them are god-dedicated. You can also make your own warband and make it chaos undivided and just use the generic csm relics and strategems. But the more focused legions have more powerful relics and stratagems typically.
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Post by doubleback on Sept 23, 2017 10:43:23 GMT -6
Well I've always been a Nurgle guy, but I'm seeing some people saying that Deathguatd has no ranged fire support (which the crawler would seem to counter). If I go Chaos I want some actual fire support because I never get to shoot at shit with my Orks.
Well I get to shoot, I just rarely get to hit
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Post by doubleback on Sept 23, 2017 10:44:21 GMT -6
Well it depends what you want to do- if one if the canon legions pulls you, go that route. World eaters, emperors children, alpha legion, black legion, nightlords, iron warriors, word bearers all have some cool special relics and rules and strategems and only 2 of them are god-dedicated. You can also make your own warband and make it chaos undivided and just use the generic csm relics and strategems. But the more focused legions have more powerful relics and stratagems typically. Do deathguard also require a strap on?
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Post by Joelercoaster on Sept 23, 2017 11:04:45 GMT -6
No, but syphilis is basically a guarantee
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Post by doubleback on Sept 24, 2017 9:05:01 GMT -6
So....chaos undivided can take literally any unit from any chaos codex? It's just the best from each?
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Post by rogerspacem on Sept 24, 2017 12:52:06 GMT -6
So....chaos undivided can take literally any unit from any chaos codex? It's just the best from each? Chaos undivided means you don't take any chaos mark (or that unit doesn't associate with anyone god.) the advantage in this case is your characters can literally summon any daemon amongst the four chaos gods. A legion popular with this tactic are Word Bearers. If you are referring to filling out detachments, then so long as your forces all share the "chaos" keyword then they can all join the same detachment (they just won't get their legion ability.) It doesn't matter if they are chaos undivided or not.
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Post by doubleback on Sept 24, 2017 13:54:31 GMT -6
So let's say I wanted Alpha Legion....could I have Alpha Legion plague marines?
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Post by doubleback on Sept 24, 2017 14:12:39 GMT -6
Also, and forgive me if this is wrong, I've never played an army that has ally options....
So let's say I go death guard, but I have an allied detachment of Alpha Legion tanks or psychers. Do my death guard get their normal DG bonuses, or dies literally the entire army need to be one force?
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Post by jesse on Sept 24, 2017 16:23:57 GMT -6
My understanding is that each detachment has to be a single keyword. So you could have a keyword Death Guard detachment with all the Death Guard rules and then a keyword Alpha Legion detachment with Alpha Legion rules and then a Chaos keyword detachment that is random Chaos stuff with only generic Chaos special rules (if they exist).
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Post by Nick P on Sept 25, 2017 7:45:59 GMT -6
So let's say I wanted Alpha Legion....could I have Alpha Legion plague marines? So yes you can play plague marines in an otherwise alpha legion army - but note that the plague marines in Codex Chaos Space Marines are not the plague marines in Codex Death Guard. If you want to use CSM ones you can but note what keywords they have - I do not believe they have the <legion> keyword, so they can not be taken as <alpha legion>, so they would disqualify you from taking alpha legion specific rules and relics etc. If you want to use Death Guard ones, you would similarly be going for a strictly CHAOS keyword army or HERETICS ASTARTES, and would not get the benefits of either the Alpha Legion or Death Guard rules for your detachment. But you can take a detachment of Alpha Legion and a detachment of Death Guard and each detachment would get it's respective special rules, it just requires you to fill out more units in the detachment charts. Does that make sense?
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Post by doubleback on Sept 25, 2017 8:58:16 GMT -6
Absolutely, that is exactly what I was asking. I really like DG (although I think Mortarion is too op unless an opponent brings a primarch as well) but I would still like access to a csm psycher and maybe a few long range gun options the DG lack (im still kind of confused by the new DG tank).
So it sounds like I can make a 80-90% DG army with a few outside detachments to fill in the gaps.
What would doing so mean for my warlord traits and chapter tactics?
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Post by Nick P on Sept 25, 2017 9:18:39 GMT -6
Whichever detachment you choose to hold your warlord, you can use whatever warlord traits etc. that that detachment would allow. Likewise, each detachment gets whatever legion traits/special rules apply to the keywords within. So if you, say, built an army like (just making this up): Battalion Detachment - Death Guard
- 7 Plague Marines
- 7 Plague Marines
- 20 Pox Walkers
Supreme Command Detachment - Alpha Legion- Sorcerer - Alpha Legion, Dark Hereticus
- Sorcerer - Alpha Legion, Dark Hereticus
- Sorcerer - Alpha Legion, Dark Hereticus
- Chaos Land Raider - Alpha Legion
You could make one of the DG characters your warlord, or one of the AL characters your warlord, and then get access to either the DG warlord traits or CSM warlord traits respectively. But the DG detachment would get to use all of the DG rules and traits, the AL detachment would get to use all the AL rules and traits. They just wouldn't cross over - ie, the AL stuff doesn't get disgustingly resilient, and the DG stuff doesn't get the infiltrate rules for AL. But the overall army is battle forged, and both detachments keep their flavor.
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