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Post by vaktimusprime on Jul 20, 2017 7:51:53 GMT -6
Sup Yall, Figure since I've got a few games under my belt and I'm slowly building out to my 2k list I would reach out to the community to get some help from folks who have a lot more experience in the game.
I don't have all of the models for this list but it at least gives me a starting point to buy.
The centerpiece of the army is the Leviathan Dread (I love the model so much and It's on my to buy list at Gencon this year) It will ride in the Stormraven accompanied by the 5man death Company w/Thunder Hammers and the Chaplain with Jump Pack. Mephiston gets the intercesors as a bubble wrap, and then the two squads of tac marines will be in the razorbacks. Lemartes will drop in with the two six man squads of death company to deliver some destruction where needed.
A couple of points that I am unsure of are;
Should I drop the jump packs from the DC & Chaplain in the stormraven to pack more bodies in there.
I feel light on killing potential against hordes, should i swap out the tac squad heavy weapons for heavy flamers instead?
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++ Vanguard (CP +1) (Space Marines) [589 Pts] ++
+ Elites +
Death Company with Jump Packs [140 Pts]: 5x Death Company Marine, 2x Thunder Hammer
Death Company with Jump Packs [160 Pts]: 6x Death Company Marine, 2x Thunder Hammer
Death Company with Jump Packs [160 Pts]: 6x Death Company Marine, 2x Thunder Hammer
+ HQ +
Lemartes [129 Pts]
+ 'Faction +
Chapter Selection: Blood Angels
++ Battalion (CP +3) (Space Marines) [1397 Pts, 22 Pwr] ++
+ Troops +
Intercessor Squad [100 Pts, 6 Pwr]
Tactical Squad [96 Pts, 5 Pwr]: Multi-Melta, Power Sword
Tactical Squad [94 Pts, 5 Pwr]: Lascannon, Power Sword
+ HQ +
Chaplain with Jump Pack [90 Pts, 6 Pwr]: Bolt Pistol
Chief Librarian Mephiston [145 Pts]
+ Heavy Support +
Relic Leviathan Dreadnought [331 Pts]: Grav-Flux Bombard, 2x Heavy Flamer, Leviathan Siege Claw, Meltagun
+ Flyer +
Stormraven Gunship [307 Pts]: 2x Hurricane Bolter, 2x Stormstrike Missile Launcher, Twin Assault Cannon, Typhoon Missile Launcher
+ Dedicated Transport +
Razorback [117 Pts]: Stormbolter, Twin Lascannon
Razorback [117 Pts]: Stormbolter, Twin Lascannon
+ 'Faction +
Chapter Selection: Blood Angels
Forge World Entries
++ Total: [1986 Pts, 22 Pwr] ++
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jul 20, 2017 8:40:28 GMT -6
Looks good. For more horde killing power, you can either take assault cannons on the razorbacks, drop the heavy weapons on the tacticals for a few more bodies/flamers or drop a few thunder hammers for more bodies.
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Post by daniel, why on Jul 20, 2017 8:44:21 GMT -6
Looks pretty solid to me.
You have a lot of light infantry dakka from the Stormraven and the heavy flamers on the Leviathan, which will both be in the enemy's face early on. I think you're right to have the tac squads as more long range support, especially with their Razorbacks sporting the twin lascannons. You'll probably want them hanging back and plinking away at transports or scary monsters. If they had heavy flamers, you'd need them up close to use them, but you have so many death company I think it's unnecessary.
If anything I'd say double down on the lascannons for your tacticals and just have them hang back with their transports for full BS shots all game.
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on Jul 20, 2017 9:29:53 GMT -6
True. However, it's important to not put all your eggs in the stormraven basket. With the dread on board, it's going to attract a ton of firepower. It is amazing though and will be great at getting into the enemy deployment zone quickly.
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Post by mcsardo on Jul 20, 2017 9:35:33 GMT -6
I think this is a pretty solid list, the only thing I'd say it's missing is more long range high strength high damage firepower (Lascannon devs or laspreds come to mind).
I'm not sold on the primarus marines in this list. They're just going to be sitting out of a transport and be kind of isolated.
You also might be illegally running the relic leviathan. Per the FAQ, "Page 4 – Additional Rules, Relic
Change the first paragraph to read:
‘If your army is Battle-forged, no Detachment can
contain more Relic units than it does non-Relic units
of the same Battlefield Role. You can, however, include
a single Relic Lord of War unit in your army even if it
contains no non-Relic Lord of War units (you cannot
include second and subsequent Relic Lord of War units
unless they are taken in a Detachment that contains at
least as many non-Relic Lord of War units).’"
So I think you need at least 1 non-relic heavy support in that detachment to have the relic leviathan.
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Post by vaktimusprime on Jul 20, 2017 10:11:29 GMT -6
I think this is a pretty solid list, the only thing I'd say it's missing is more long range high strength high damage firepower (Lascannon devs or laspreds come to mind). I'm not sold on the primarus marines in this list. They're just going to be sitting out of a transport and be kind of isolated. You also might be illegally running the relic leviathan. Per the FAQ, "Page 4 – Additional Rules, Relic Change the first paragraph to read: ‘If your army is Battle-forged, no Detachment can contain more Relic units than it does non-Relic units of the same Battlefield Role. You can, however, include a single Relic Lord of War unit in your army even if it contains no non-Relic Lord of War units (you cannot include second and subsequent Relic Lord of War units unless they are taken in a Detachment that contains at least as many non-Relic Lord of War units).’" So I think you need at least 1 non-relic heavy support in that detachment to have the relic leviathan. Oh man, good catch on the relic change. I will need to see what I can shuffle around to get another heavy in there. I also agree with the idea of the Intercessors, I just wasn't sure if a foot slogging tac squad (maybe with another lascannon) would be better to wrap up mephiston. Psychic phase is so strong i feel like having mephiston there is still worth it. |
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Post by mcsardo on Jul 20, 2017 10:36:37 GMT -6
I agree on wanting some smite defense, but I think a jump pack librarian that can deep strike down with your death company, or a bike librarian that can run around and smite / deny might be better than a foot slogging psyker that you have to babysit.
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Post by vaktimusprime on Jul 20, 2017 10:55:28 GMT -6
Thinking this (Although its 3 points over which I will have to sort out. )
And have mephiston ride along in the stormraven. Although that might be putting a LOT of my eggs in that zippy bastard.
The suggestion of the Jump Pack Librarian is very tempting.
++ Vanguard (CP +1) (Space Marines) [534 Pts] ++
+ Elites +
Death Company [125 Pts]: 5x Death Company Marine, 2x Thunder Hammer
Death Company with Jump Packs [140 Pts]: 5x Death Company Marine, 2x Thunder Hammer
Death Company with Jump Packs [140 Pts]: 5x Death Company Marine, 2x Thunder Hammer
+ HQ +
Lemartes [129 Pts]
+ 'Faction +
Chapter Selection: Blood Angels
++ Patrol (CP +0) (Space Marines) [1469 Pts, 15 Pwr] ++
+ Troops +
Tactical Squad [90 Pts, 5 Pwr]: Lascannon
Tactical Squad [92 Pts, 5 Pwr]: Multi-Melta
+ HQ +
Chaplain [72 Pts, 5 Pwr]: Bolt Pistol
Chief Librarian Mephiston [145 Pts]
+ Heavy Support +
Predator [202 Pts]: Twin Lascannon
. Two Lascannons: 2x Lascannon
Relic Leviathan Dreadnought [331 Pts]: Grav-Flux Bombard, 2x Heavy Flamer, Leviathan Siege Claw, Meltagun
+ Flyer +
Stormraven Gunship [307 Pts]: 2x Hurricane Bolter, 2x Stormstrike Missile Launcher, Twin Assault Cannon, Typhoon Missile Launcher
+ Dedicated Transport +
Razorback [115 Pts]: Twin Lascannon
Razorback [115 Pts]: Twin Lascannon
+ 'Faction +
Chapter Selection: Blood Angels
Forge World Entries
++ Total: [2003 Pts, 15 Pwr] ++
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Post by rogerspacem on Jul 20, 2017 14:12:03 GMT -6
Only cause I am not too familiar with Blood Angels can you explain your strategy with the list? or at least who is riding with whom? Otherwise A lacannon Predator is pretty kick butt, especially combined with a Stormraven and two razor backs with lascannons. If the predator goes down then you got razor backs to support (and acts as objective holders.)
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Post by vaktimusprime on Jul 20, 2017 14:26:29 GMT -6
Tac Squad a piece in each Razorback. (maybe toss Mephiston in one of those too)
Leviathan, Five man non jump pack Death Company w/ Chaplain in the Stormraven
Two Death Company W Jet packs in the sky with Lemartes.
The idea is use the tac squads in razorbacks to hold the objectives closer to my board edge and use the razorbacks and ranged fire support. Use the Flying Death Company to dislodge enemies from objectives or hit high value targets with a strong charge backed by the Lemartes Reroll. If they clear someone off an objective or off of cover they become a hard unit to engage since they are still Death company.
Storm raven after dropping the leviathan and Death company into the enemy backlines will zip around offering more fact acting fire support.
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Post by mcsardo on Jul 20, 2017 14:40:25 GMT -6
What do your named characters give you buff wise that plain librarians and chaplains? I don't have the index in front of me, and I'm curious if they are worth extra points?
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Post by vaktimusprime on Jul 20, 2017 21:02:32 GMT -6
What do your named characters give you buff wise that plain librarians and chaplains? I don't have the index in front of me, and I'm curious if they are worth extra points? Lemartes gives reroll to charges ontop of rerolling misses. he's also got 2 more attacks with a better weapon. not sure that is worth the extra 36 points he costs compared to a normal jump pack chaplain Mephiston has all the spells, and is also rolling around with 4 attacks at str 10 ap-3 and hes got a 5+++(is that the way to write the save that you can take only if you fail a save) he's pretty much the same cost as a librarian termmie |
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Post by rogerspacem on Jul 20, 2017 23:07:02 GMT -6
What do your named characters give you buff wise that plain librarians and chaplains? I don't have the index in front of me, and I'm curious if they are worth extra points? Lemartes gives reroll to charges ontop of rerolling misses. he's also got 2 more attacks with a better weapon. not sure that is worth the extra 36 points he costs compared to a normal jump pack chaplain Mephiston has all the spells, and is also rolling around with 4 attacks at str 10 ap-3 and hes got a 5+++(is that the way to write the save that you can take only if you fail a save) he's pretty much the same cost as a librarian termmie I would say is worth it, mostly for the re-roll to charges. Just mindful that odds are he specifically won't make it into combat when they drop in, if he put him behind the other Death Company. You are going to make sure he is sandwich inbetween the two units so he can provide his bonus to them. Mephiston: A termines libby, with all powers, 4 attacks at str 10 ap-3, and negates wounds on a 5+? I say he is definitely worth it, seeing he is the same cost as a librarian termmie. You'll get some utility out of him (seeing he is a psyker) |
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