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Post by Joelercoaster on May 15, 2017 12:14:37 GMT -6
Plasma grenades are going to be vicious.
Have we seen the power level for basic marines? Can't remember. Or terminators? Points will be scaled, obviously, but not sure on power level.
I would imagine not having special weapons is a big enough thing to make basic Tacs worthy of the field... being more tactical and all. Especially with split-fire now built in, and heavy weapons firing on the move at effective BS3 (for marines, at least).
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Post by jesse on May 15, 2017 12:17:47 GMT -6
I believe Tactical Marines were stated to be 5 power level points for 5 marines, though we didn't see a full sheet for them.
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Post by 1D3chan on May 15, 2017 13:29:08 GMT -6
Haha, I love it from a business perspective, it's very fascinating to me. I never thought they would actually do it, but they are managing to bring Sigmarines into 40k - slowly but surely. What I mean by that is, they are slowly trying to conquest their IP in the Space Marine department.' Intercessor' is theirs now I'm sure, which is basically a Stormcast name (which all follow the same strategy). And they are likely making a strong case for 'Primaris Space Marine' used consecutively like that.
I have literally no problem with this at all from a gameplay perspective, but I don't play them. Even if I did, I think I'd be okay if, for example, Eldar got 10 brand new units that were squads of just 5 Exarchs or something. That would pump me up. But I can't help but find GW's everlasting endeavor to secure IP just isn't as valuable or necessary as they think it is. It's so weird to me. Who cares if other companies use Space Marines, Orcs or Eldar if YOU are the biggest and best? Obviously they know something I don't and have been doing a great job, I just wish I grasped it.
Why lose sales by changing Orcs to Orrukuksus? When someone googles Orc, if yours came up first, you're winning. It's like Nike saying "We're not calling our shoes sneakers anymore" idk. Now they're giving that to someone else, and a lot more people are googling Orc than Orukukuuku. I think they want to slowly use their mass so that people do start typing Aeldari, Intercessor, Orukuku, more than Elf, Space Marine and Orc but how long will that take and will it pay off?
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Post by Nick P on May 15, 2017 14:14:32 GMT -6
I think it has more to do with 3rd parties producing companion kits. When they say "space marine tank doors" GW doesn't have a case - if it says "primaris land raider doors" it's lawsuit city.
And if kids getting into the hobby won't be able to associate 3rd party bits with GWs ip GW gets more of their money.
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Post by Nathan on May 15, 2017 14:30:55 GMT -6
And now those goofy looking marines in dow3 make more sence!
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Post by Joelercoaster on May 15, 2017 14:57:59 GMT -6
Heh... just saw a 3rd party-er selling "gravity guns" the other day.
Maybe I've just been fortunate, but lately any bitz I've wanted haven't been ridiculously-priced from eBay stores and the like (actually I've bashed the corsairs together at a very reasonable cost so far). The biggest culprits were selling add-on kits that GW had nothing for (tervigons back in the day, for example).
But shrug.
With the caveat that I also do not play the Mah-reenz, I share the opinion of d3 - while you *can* play an army of them, it seems like they're more likely to be used as an add-on squad rather than replacements for vanillareens.
If I got into the power-armor, I'd actually probably rather use those models to have a true-scale feel, but just play regular marines (but of course that's "iffy" at that point).
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 15:39:15 GMT -6
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Post by Russell on May 15, 2017 15:56:36 GMT -6
yeah tau will be fine.
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Post by Eric formerly Eric on May 15, 2017 16:27:45 GMT -6
You think they might spin kroot off as a subfaction? No mention of them in that article, and they revealed that the shaper is now a character.
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Post by Nathan on May 15, 2017 18:07:30 GMT -6
Omg! All 3 hard points can have weapons and fire them now! All fire power!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 18:43:37 GMT -6
Omg! All 3 hard points can have weapons and fire them now! All fire power! It's a good thing you magnetized everything.
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Post by Nathan on May 16, 2017 6:15:47 GMT -6
Yeah that's the reason I did it to! Never know what the future holds
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Post by Nick P on May 16, 2017 7:29:56 GMT -6
So deep striking crisis suits with 9x melta is the new alpha strike right? Holy shit that's good
Also tau's main drawback was being bad in assault. lol jk everything can flee and then shoot you more
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 8:57:18 GMT -6
Also tau's main drawback was being bad in assault. lol jk everything can flee and then shoot you more They still have to survive the charge, which will auto strike first, and the ensuing morale test. If they live through that though, yeah, they'll shoot you more. Does seem to make the close combat style of the Farsight Enclaves seem more viable though. You can shoot, charge, then fly out to shoot again.
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Post by Nick P on May 16, 2017 9:03:42 GMT -6
I just can't wait to see what my Nids do. I'm more excited than I've been in a LONG time to see what they come up with to make them play the way they're supposed to - what synapse does with regards to command points, what strategems they get, whether spawned termagants count towards your points for the battle, if they retcon the tervigon to just be a transport option, whether we can spawn (gasp!) hormagaunts instead, MC wound counts and new weapon profiles, etc.
For some reason this feels better than just a codex update, since they're actually building everything from the ground up, it feels like its going to be very balanced at the least. Also hoping to take gargoyles as troops to go with an all-flying army if at all possible. I hate that they're doing the Faction Updates every odd day, guess we have to wait till tomorrow to see another spotlight, fingers crossed its Nids :3
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