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Post by Joelercoaster on Jun 13, 2016 18:57:38 GMT -6
To be fair, I've always thought the Skyblight was pretty awesome, and was sad at my inability to run it... with the buff to Harpies, I just couldn't resist... so here's the first rendition of a "good" list...
Skyblight Swarm:
Tyrant with Devourers
Harpy with HVC
Harpy with HVC
Crone
10 Gargoyles
10 Gargoyles
10 Gargoyles
Sporefield:
3 Spore Mines
3 Spore Mines
3 Spore Mines
1 Mucolid
1 Mucolid
1 Mucolid
Tyranid CAD:
Tyrant with Devourers, Regeneration (Warlord)
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
Tervigon
30 Termagants, 10 Devourers
Mawloc
10 points leftover, so probably Egrubs somewhere (I'm leaning toward the Tervigon, as it adds some anti-tank on the ground amidst the horde of helpless termagants). Regen on the one Tyrant is an oddity, but I actually think it may be worth it on flyers, which are far harder to focus fire down in a single round. Generally speaking.
Beyond that, I'm sure the mad strategy (air quotes) of the list is pretty easy to grasp - a fair few recycling units as chaff 'n bait, FMC's clear the air (hopefully), work as can openers, and generally do things. The rest is about swamping objectives. Hopefully there are enough DS'ing units throughout the game to make having 3 lictors worth doing.
The bright side is that, aside from 3 Mucalids and some conversion work, I have everything to run this WYSIWYG. Depending on how many Termagants I spawn, at least.
Thoughts?
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Jun 14, 2016 7:26:27 GMT -6
Drop Regen, Egrubs on everything that can get it.
I just don't know about the Tervigon anymore. She dies, and you're boned in the backfield. I'd say that Venomthropes and Mucolids are going to be more survivable on objectives and less points heavy. Maybe another Mawloc.
But if this is just what you have currently, then roll with it.
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Post by Nick P on Jun 14, 2016 7:43:08 GMT -6
I agree with Jeff. Drop the regen, add egrubs to everything else. I'd also focus this on the flyers, and drop the lictor/mawloc gimmick. Unless spammed, its really not worth doing - and its a lot of points spent on single models (lictors) that, while OK aren't great. If you drop the mawloc, and the lictors, and the tervigon - you can add in yet another flyrant, take a malanthrope or two for synapse and to give the flyers a 2+ jink for a turn or two, and flesh out the gants to tarpit or objective hold.
If you've got 6 FMCs, you don't need mawlocs duder
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Post by Joelercoaster on Jun 14, 2016 16:07:11 GMT -6
The Lictors are also there for DS'ing Gargoyles, as I *think* with the new FAQ, they can only DS in after recycling if they DS'd originally. I'm hoping between Gargoyles, Spores, and Mawloc, that the Lictors are worthwhile... but it's definitely an area that I will be critical of. I don't expect much from a single Mawloc, really it's an excuse to use the Trygon model that has been on my shelf for months (if not years).
Unfortunately I only have 2 Tyrants, (the 2nd can have wings glued on), so while a third is a wondrous suggestion, I'm trying to keep myself from buying yet *more* MC's just at the moment. Same with Malanthropes... while they're awesome, unless I find a way to convert something, I just don't have the model to utilize right now.
The Tervigon I rather agree with, it's iffy... my *hope* is that I can hide it enough in the first turn or two, and then the mass of DS'ing shenanigans will take enough heat off until it has time to lumber forth with an army of gribblies that's massive enough to survive the next 3-4 turns. But of all the best laid plans of mice and men, keeping a TMC alive is the first to fail xD. DS'ing Rippers may be the way to go, as it plays more into the "have Lictors be useful" idea, and fits better with the general low amount of Synapse. On the note of Mucolids, though, I thought all spores couldn't score?
So if I dropped the Tervigon/gaunts, that'd free up ... about 350 points... 30 from Regen ..... basically after 2 minimal Ripper broods I'd have near 300 points to play with. I think I'd like to bulk out the troops for scoring purposes, as I see the Gargoyles being played very loose and free in this list... so maybe 2 more, which still leaves around 200 points.... hrmms....
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Post by Joelercoaster on Jun 18, 2016 18:14:13 GMT -6
OKAY SO I TWEAKED A THING.
Pulled it down to 1500, which I'm kind of happy about, as I'm leaning toward smaller games anyway... originally I was wanting to clock a 1250 list... anyway.
Skyblight Swarm
Flyrant, Twin Devs
Crone
Harpy, HVC
Harpy, HVC
10 Gargoyles (x3)
CAD
Flyrant, Twin Devs, E-Grubs
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
3 Rippers, DS
3 Rippers, DS
Mawloc
Clocks in at 1495.
Alright, so. Yes, I admit that a single mawloc is iffy at best, but I kind of feel like Mawlocs are iffy at best at the best of times, to be honest. It's probably more a tool to keep people from castling than anything else, and offers a late-game "I can DS on a far objective" unit which can be big. Between it, the Gargoyles, and the Rippers, the Lictors are... hopefully... worth having in there. 5 FMC's start on the board... a single venomthrope would allow for the 2+ jink T1, but would also force me to castle within 6" of that single model. Although, worth it? There's a lot of mobility to be had after, so that may not be a huge deal.
Points wise it's an even trade, but if the idea is to "abuse" the lictor's ("use for once" is really the better term) Pheremone Trail ability, I feel like having 3 spread around the board is pretty clutch. On a 4x4, 2 would cut it, but at 1500+ a 6x4 is really ideal. You guys probably have more experience with these tactics, though... do you think the T1 defensive benefit outweighs the game-long options of having the Lictors more prevalent? Realistically it's not that hard to drop a few Lictors, they're really hoping that the (relative) multitude of FMC's draw the real firepower anyway.
I'm not opposed to owning a Malanthrope, but I'd have to (probably) convert one... points wise it's harder, too, to fit in. Venom is easy but wants Synapse, which is painful as soon as those Flyrants run away. So it really is basically just the 45 points for a T1 benefit, if an awesome one. ALso, 5 points cheaper means I'd have Grubs on the 2nd Flyrant.
Compare, then. All in with 3 Lictors, or drop one for a Venomthrope?
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Post by Nick P on Jun 20, 2016 6:38:46 GMT -6
If something is iffy at best at the best of times, you shouldn't take it lol save those points man!
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Post by dex on Jun 20, 2016 11:06:12 GMT -6
Nick is right which pains me to say. Points for consistent reliable damage is the name of the game
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