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Cypher
Mar 25, 2016 9:58:54 GMT -6
Post by rogerspacem on Mar 25, 2016 9:58:54 GMT -6
I thought you can take Cypher in a Dark Angels army and make them fallen Angels. Is that true? Could have sworn i saw it before, but I can't seem to find that codex. Any suggestions or pdfs?
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Cypher
Mar 25, 2016 13:36:45 GMT -6
Post by Nick P on Mar 25, 2016 13:36:45 GMT -6
There's a dataslate for Cypher that details all of his rules etc. But afaik its for the 6th ed codex, so not sure if it still applies to the newer 7th ed one.
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Cypher
Mar 25, 2016 13:49:22 GMT -6
Post by rogerspacem on Mar 25, 2016 13:49:22 GMT -6
From what I gather about data slates that were still from 6th, and haven't been updated, they are still fair game. If there is a ruling in 7th that contradicts the dataslates, then the 7th over rules it (of course consort with your fellow player about it before playing.) This is something from a FAQ black library said, like how they also mentioned they will update the dataslates soon... some months ago But after much digging turns out i "could" use cypher in a Dark Angels army, but it has to be unbound... so yay...ish. No legit way in a battle forged list though, unless I ran ANY OTHER space marines... :'-(
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Cypher
Mar 25, 2016 13:51:34 GMT -6
Post by Nick P on Mar 25, 2016 13:51:34 GMT -6
Well that's...huh. Seems pretty weird right? Though I guess Cypher *is* a fallen angel, so he wouldn't really be leading a DA army so much as running from it as they try to cut his head off.
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Cypher
Mar 25, 2016 14:20:15 GMT -6
Post by rogerspacem on Mar 25, 2016 14:20:15 GMT -6
Pretty much, though the fluff makes you doubt if he is a bad guy. However, people pointed out some funny things about Cypher. For example if Cypher is killed with DA's, or any other enemy, nearby (1d6") you could score normally from objectives (e.g. assassinate). Dark angels that do it score an additional d3 points. If he survives then the player scores automatically 3 points. And all DA's inner circle members (e.g. terminators and librarians) will all have zealot. Granted you need a unbound army, but having Cypher in a dark angels list will be pretty kick ass.
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Cypher
Mar 25, 2016 20:57:51 GMT -6
Post by Nick P on Mar 25, 2016 20:57:51 GMT -6
Well the "at any cost" rule says the enemy get 3 VPs for capturing him with a DA model, and cypher gets D3 VPs if he does not get captured when facing DA. If a non-DA model captures him, you just get the 1 VP per usual - but if no one is within d6" when he dies, he escapes and no VPs are awarded.
Also, since you couldn't capture cypher with an allied (or unbound) DA force (it specifies enemy units within d6" in order to capture him), it only comes into play if your enemy is playing DA. And, doesn't the dataslate say specifically that he can't be taken in an army with DA? Would that extend to unbound? Just curious.
I think an unbound DA fallen army with cypher would be freaking cool. He can't be the warlord though, so there's that too. Man, idk how he's supposed to be used lol
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Cypher
Mar 26, 2016 7:45:21 GMT -6
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Post by rogerspacem on Mar 26, 2016 7:45:21 GMT -6
He can be used unbound. In the 2014 dataslate version it states you can. But yeah cypher is a tough cookie to use and very risky as well considering he drops your warlord's leadership by 1 as well. Besides if all else fails I do have some chaos units.maybe I'll start a chaos army. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
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