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Post by Joelercoaster on Jul 21, 2014 16:49:16 GMT -6
But wait you guys, I thought all MC's were Fearless??? Right?? RIGHT? ? *cough* Yeah, that's stupid. Still. At least it can actually do real damage when it hits, and I *think* strikedown has something to do with messing with the opponents Initiative? Or something? So HoW would go off at I10, turn them to I1, and at least you're going simo. I'd have to actually read the strikedown rule, because no one ever uses it. But I think that's a thing.
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Post by Nick P on Jul 21, 2014 19:47:25 GMT -6
Strike down literally does nothing in this case: any non vehicle model that suffers a wound (even if it's saved) by a weapon with strike down moves as if it's in difficult terrain
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Post by Joelercoaster on Jul 22, 2014 0:08:43 GMT -6
Huh. So... that's... actually... completely... without a doubt... 100%... useless...
Yep. Fits.
Alright. Well. To be fair, I think MC's (if you can get them into combat, which I'm hoping is easier with Fleet at least) have far less need for Grenades than something like Genestealers, which get absolutely smashed without them.
Realistically, why would you take a Trygon over this thing? Unless you're using an Endless Swarm and simply must have the tunnels, I can't see any reason not to. Do we know comparative size? I'm still wondering if Crushing Claws are the way to go to town on vehiculars these days. I think I have a pair painted up because I thought they looked cool, so I can try them out on a Tervigon, see what happens. Then run me a nice CC fex.
At least this guy is an FA slot, which leaves our relatively crowded HS without the hassle.
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Post by Nick P on Jul 22, 2014 6:50:17 GMT -6
Joel the base he's on is the trygon base. Some pics online from the open day show it as being about the size of a wraith knight.
So, you know, fucking hugemongous
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Post by Nick P on Jul 22, 2014 6:57:33 GMT -6
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Post by Joelercoaster on Jul 22, 2014 9:25:26 GMT -6
Sigh... hate to say it, but at least from the pictures I'm just not liking the model. The double-talons look goofy to me, the face is stunted, the over-hanging carapace is... pointless...
Meh. Trygon really isn't that far off in size from this thing. Why are there so many new nid kits that I just don't like coming out??
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Jul 22, 2014 10:25:49 GMT -6
Cause you got a case of the hates!
It's a jarring model. It seems like the modeler and the rules guys suffered from the same case of 1,000 ideas and 1 opportunity. However, the more I look at it, the more I like it. The one thing I really hate are the rocks beneath the feet, arbitrarily included so that the modeler hit the X" of height quota she was probably asked to do. The tail's a little much as well, especially since it's not written into the rules as a thing.
I do like it enough to get one though. And the book. But I'll be damned if I order one without the other, so these asshats better officially release this thing soon.
I am all about the Malanthrope though and am having fantasies about a 9 Carnifex list with a brood of 3 Stone Crushers.
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Post by Russell on Jul 22, 2014 10:42:07 GMT -6
Get that man some Haterade
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Post by Nick P on Jul 22, 2014 12:29:53 GMT -6
Jeff I think I'm going to run a brood of 2 crusher fexes with 2x crusher claws (fuck that mace BS). And a malanthrope - its like a tough ass venomthrope that also gives synapse. Beautiful.
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Jul 22, 2014 13:15:46 GMT -6
You don't like that mace? I think it has a place somewhere. It's only 15 points and I don't think you have to use it as the SC still has one Crusher Claw. And you still get the ridiculous HoW hits. The mace should eat the shit out of a Wraithknight, and just imagine what you'd do to any infantry. Since the SC only has 2A base anyway, you're better off in nearly every assault situation. HOWEVER, the S10 base will be IDing almost everything in those situations anyway. DAMN, apparently I'm really torn.
However, if you're running a Dima, you just don't need that much ID.
In my 9 Carnifex fantasy, I would bring one alongside 2 stock. And only one Dakkafex in each of the other broods. So much S9 and 10 and Dakka and fuckery. I think that comes out to 1245; a great place to start.
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Jul 22, 2014 13:16:22 GMT -6
Also, yes, the more I think about the Malanthrope, the more I want to kiss it gently.
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Post by Nick P on Jul 22, 2014 14:24:12 GMT -6
Can you throw a SC in a normal brood? If so, I'd love to see broods of 3 - 2 dakkas and a SC. Tons of firepower as they move forward, the dakkas can tank wounds until you get into charge range, then the SC is unleashed like the dog of war that it is and just eats everything.
Yeah the ID would be great against a WK, but I don't think you want to get this thing locked in with a WK - I'd tar pit with gaunts, then throw my bonesword HT at it (or a brood of bonesword warriors, or hell even a prime) to ID the fucker.
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Jul 24, 2014 12:30:18 GMT -6
Don't think you can throw SCs into normal broods. Also... the Heirophant is fucking sick.
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Post by Nick P on Jul 24, 2014 12:37:24 GMT -6
Its a lord of war!!! I can bring one at 1850! SCORE EDIT: I got too excited...just realized the Heiro can only pick ONE of the options...so either transport a genestealer bomb OR haev skyfire...but not both
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Post by jefferestinpeace on Jul 24, 2014 12:55:52 GMT -6
Seriously. That's disgusting. Also, any AP3 flamer is cheating, but that Hellstorm is just not fun.
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