doubleback
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Post by doubleback on Feb 13, 2018 7:22:47 GMT -6
With their obnoxious save and abikity to jump in and out of combat I would not hesitate to throw them at a target. It was the combination of hurricane bolters and melee that made them able to slice to htough my infantry heavy army like a hit knife through butter.
Granted I was using orcs, and they are basically butter against most armies right now that have any shooting whatsoever. Those things still to me apart in CC though, and that is no mean feat against a giant blob of buffed orcs.weoght of attacks means nothing against them without some serious -ap.
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Post by Nick P on Feb 13, 2018 8:45:15 GMT -6
Yeah I think that's something the Orks need dearly anyway, is a reliable source of AP-2 or AP-3, to deal with things like heavy armor and tanks/knights etc. Right now its basically just the big stuff like stompas and morkanaughts, and maybe mek gunz, right? And I guess Lootas if you get lucky? I get that Orks are supposed to be random, but you'd still rather have some kind of consistency so you can actually prioritize targets properly.
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Post by doubleback on Feb 13, 2018 10:49:20 GMT -6
Lootas are Ap-1, and as the Apoc game proved fairly brutally, not an effective way to deal with good saves or high armor. It is pretty much Tank Bustas or gtfo. It did just occur to me that Jet Bikes are vehicles(?) so that might have been a viable solution.
Even in that case though, with the custodian's insane movement and the limited rocket range, the only real option Orcs would have would still be a boat load of Bustas in a Gargantuan Squiggoth. Right now I am firmly convinced that the GS is the only way to make orcs roundly competitive.
Really, those Jet Bike Custodes have the making of a very powerful and I think (unfortunately) fairly costed death star. I hate the hell out of them, but that comes from a place of pure jealousy.
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Post by Nick P on Feb 13, 2018 14:49:01 GMT -6
And facing down 12 of them in a big unit is a scary proposition. 3 lone jetbikes are going to be a little bit easier to deal with I would think, at least as long as you can target them.
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Post by Nick P on Feb 14, 2018 8:50:39 GMT -6
Saw a couple battle reports with these guys, and they seem very good - but not over kill. In one battle, a unit of rubrics was able to remove one in a turn, and in another battle, 3 rhinos firing combibolters and a hellbrute removed one, so they're certainly not invincible. It just takes firepower that is either dedicated to anti-tank, or some luck. Plasma hellblasters backed up by a lieutenant for rerolls seems like a hard counter.
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doubleback
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Post by doubleback on Feb 14, 2018 10:22:49 GMT -6
I definitely believe they are appropriately costed for what they do
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Post by Nick P on Feb 15, 2018 8:49:07 GMT -6
See? I told you I was focused on Adepticon! Magnus is now complete - except for the dreadnought on his base. I found my russ grey paint while cleaning up the hobby room this morning, so I'll tackle that tonight, as well as washing parts of his base to add some interest there, and glue down some dead grass tufts. Also finished the demon prince conversion - wasn't sure what to do with his open hand, but then inspiration hit me while pouring through the bits box. One tyrant guard hand and fireball from magnus' alternate weapon later, and we've got a vaguely avian hand casting a spell! Also built my Tzaangor shaman yesterday, I'll be using a couple of different bits from the bits box to make him stand out - primarily, I'll be using the skull-potion bottle from the Empire Battle Wizard kit to represent this 1-use psychic potion, like so (quick photoshop job): I'll be building the start of my tzaangor enlightened squad tonight, I'm waiting on another package to get all 8 that I plan on bringing, but I will have 5 of said 8 built tonight. I'm waiting on a set of 25mm bases to finish my cultitsts, I have 2/10 built, but then it will just be a mad dash to paint everything and a month to do it in. Marathon time!
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Post by jesse on Feb 15, 2018 9:37:12 GMT -6
Love the demon prince.
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Post by Nathan on Feb 15, 2018 12:14:47 GMT -6
And facing down 12 of them in a big unit is a scary proposition. 3 lone jetbikes are going to be a little bit easier to deal with I would think, at least as long as you can target them. yeah i lost 4 jetbikes last night to a squad of gaunt hitting them a over 100 of times that 2 up save don't do shit when u have to take like 40 saves
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Post by Russell on Feb 15, 2018 12:39:10 GMT -6
BIRB SQUAD,SON
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Post by Nick P on Feb 15, 2018 12:54:08 GMT -6
Literally every model in this army has either wings, a beak, or both. I'm also referring to my squads of tzaangors as "murders" from now on rather than "flocks" or "herds".
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Post by Nick P on Feb 15, 2018 12:55:46 GMT -6
Also, I'm looking for cape ideas for my shaman to make him stand out. I have some flayed skin capes from the Chaos Marauder kit, but does anyone have any ideas for some less barbaric ones that might work?
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Post by cj on Feb 15, 2018 14:43:53 GMT -6
There's a skink chief with a feathered cloak, yes?
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Post by Nick P on Feb 15, 2018 15:26:25 GMT -6
There's a skink chief with a feathered cloak, yes? You beautiful genius.
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Post by Russell on Feb 15, 2018 15:39:28 GMT -6
I'm also referring to my squads of tzaangors as "murders" from now on
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