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Post by Nick P on Jan 17, 2017 16:19:56 GMT -6
I don't think they sell air paints actually, which is frustrating. But, layer paints with a couple drops of Lahmian Medium will work in a pinch as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 16:55:46 GMT -6
I don't think they sell air paints actually, which is frustrating. But, layer paints with a couple drops of Lahmian Medium will work in a pinch as well. That is what I use exclusively.
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Post by 1D3chan on Jan 19, 2017 16:10:02 GMT -6
So Nick came in super clutch last night and let me try out and mostly jam his Airbrush a whole bunch. Naturally I am totally sold on the whole thing, it's a fantastic tool and the results are remarkable even for someone with otherwise no real knack for painting.
My question to those of you in the forum who have an Airbrush and use it are:
1) What kind of Airbrush and Compressor do you use (Brand or Model) 2) Are you happy with it or do you wish you had something better? What does it do well/poorly for you? 3) What paints do you use? (We used regular Vallejo Game Color Paint that were thinned down with Vallejo Thinner as opposed to actual Air Paints)
Other things I noticed were: - Some colors performed better than others. For example, White was the hardest color for me to Airbrush well. Royal Blue on the other hand was much easier in terms of making it look good, how it came out of the airbrush etc - I jammed up the Airbrush a few times, even though I tried to religiously clean the tip as so many advise. I think it's because I either wasn't mixing the Thinner/Paint well (I used 5 Drops of Thinner for every 1 Drop of Paint) or that it actually jammed up if I just let the concoction sit too long without stirring it
Thanks for any advice on your Airbrushing
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Post by T1m on Jan 19, 2017 16:45:37 GMT -6
I use this compressor www.amazon.com/AIRBRUSH-COMPRESSOR-Airbrush-Published-Exclusively/dp/B001738DXU/ref=sr_1_4?s=arts-crafts&ie=UTF8&qid=1484865249&sr=1-4&keywords=airbrush+compressorI saw a video a couple years ago where the head of Badger Airbrush was giving a talk at Adepticon and he said that all airbrush companies use the same manufacturer for compressor's and slap their name on it. So there is no real reason to go for a name brand. You can get a compressor like that without a tank for $70. A tank is nice but only really comes in handy if you are going to be airbrushing for a long period of time as the compressor overheats if you run it too long. I have two airbrushes, a Badger Patriot 105 and a Harder & Steeback Infinity. I mainly use the Badger since I mostly just basecoat and stuff, and it works great for that. The Infinity is glorious though. I actually mostly use GW paint with Vallejo thinner, and sometimes I use Vallejo air paint, also with thinner. Thinning the paint is something that you get used to with time and practice. I generally just mix them together in a cup and then tilt the cup so that paint goes up the side and if some paint adheres enough that it is even, but also transparent, it's probably ok.
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Post by Russell on Jan 19, 2017 17:07:01 GMT -6
I use this compressor and the Iwata Eclipse brush. The compressor doesn't have a reservoir so it's runs continuously. It's surprisingly quiet. The pressure is controlled via the relief valve. I've had no problems with it; would recommend. I've used GW paints, but I really can't recommend enough the Vallejo Game Air line. I've also used the Vallejo Game Color (I think that's the name) with minimal thinner and it works just fine. I also recommend getting familiar with oil washes. I don't think I've used a GW shade since I've learned about oil washes.
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Post by 1D3chan on Jan 19, 2017 19:00:23 GMT -6
Awesome, thank you Tim and Russell.
2 people now have recommended Badger - and several people on the internet talk about Iwata, specifically the Eclipse.
Very helpful to know about the Compressor's not being terribly different or important. I'd love to learn more about Oil Washes, which I've never heard of.
I'm surprised to hear that the Air Paint line still needs to be thinned with Thinner, as I would have assumed that the product as is was ready to be put in an Airbrush. I agree that the most challenging part is getting the right formula of materials mixed up in the specific brush you have.
Thanks bb's
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Post by Shaloo on Jan 20, 2017 11:09:39 GMT -6
I use a Badger Krome airbrush. I like it because it came with two nozzle tips and needles. One .05 that is good for priming and other general use stuff like larger models, and one .02 that I use for closer fine details.
It's only slightly more expensive than the Patriot-105, but the 105 only has the .05 tip, and the .02 is just awesome.
I also use the Master compressor that Tim posted. It's very reliable IMO and even if it ever fails, it's not too expensive to get a new one. It did, however need a small adapter to fit my badger hose to it, but that was just a piece of valve from the local hardware store that cost like $2
As for paints, I have a little bit of everything. I have a lot of GW pots. Those I generally put in 2 drops of flow improver, 2 drops of thinner, and then I add 1 brush load of paint from one of my fatter brushes I generally use for shades. Mix it up right there in the cup and away I go.
Dropper bottles are pretty much the same thing. 2 drops flow improver, 2 drops thinner, 1 drop paint for the thicker stuff like Game Color and Secret Weapon.
1-1-1 drops of each for thinner paints like air color and reaper.
As for primers. Stynylrez primers from Basdger are awesome. They go straight into the cup without any thinning needed. You can get a 3-pack of White, Grey, Black pretty cheap and the bottles will last you a long time.
Make sure to get some cleaner and needle oil. A little maintenance at the end of your airbrushing day will save you a lot of time trying to scrub and pick out gunked up bits later on.
When you get one, first thing is to break it down, learn all your parts and how they fit together, and lube everything with needle oil. Doesn't need to be drowned in oil, just enough to make sure everything is sliding along and threading together nice and smooth.
One thing I don't hear many people talk about is an ultrasonic cleaner. You can get small ones meant to cleaning jewelry for like $20. If your nozzle tips ever get truly horribly clogged, 15 minutes in an ultrasonic bath will clean them out like brand new.
Can't really think of anything else atm, sorry for the info dump, got a little longer than I thought it would.
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Post by cj on Jan 20, 2017 16:00:28 GMT -6
I use a badger patriot for about everything, and have a replacement needle of .02 that I generally use with it. I have a Grex AC1810-A air compressor that I love. It doesn't have a tank, but makes about as much noise as a large cat purring loudly. The ability to modify the air pressure is my favorite thing. I have considered getting a more detail oriented airbrush, but am happy enough with what I have. I use vallejo air paints with a small amount of thinner and am pretty happy with my results.
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Post by Asyrean on Jan 20, 2017 16:29:17 GMT -6
So Nick came in super clutch last night and let me try out and mostly jam his Airbrush a whole bunch. Naturally I am totally sold on the whole thing, it's a fantastic tool and the results are remarkable even for someone with otherwise no real knack for painting. My question to those of you in the forum who have an Airbrush and use it are: 1) What kind of Airbrush and Compressor do you use (Brand or Model) 2) Are you happy with it or do you wish you had something better? What does it do well/poorly for you? 3) What paints do you use? (We used regular Vallejo Game Color Paint that were thinned down with Vallejo Thinner as opposed to actual Air Paints) Other things I noticed were: - Some colors performed better than others. For example, White was the hardest color for me to Airbrush well. Royal Blue on the other hand was much easier in terms of making it look good, how it came out of the airbrush etc - I jammed up the Airbrush a few times, even though I tried to religiously clean the tip as so many advise. I think it's because I either wasn't mixing the Thinner/Paint well (I used 5 Drops of Thinner for every 1 Drop of Paint) or that it actually jammed up if I just let the concoction sit too long without stirring it Thanks for any advice on your Airbrushing Hey Madison, I know you're getting a lot of good advice here, but just to chime in. I got my airbrush last August, and haven't used it extensively other than to prime and base coat really, but I do have to say I really like it. I have the Paasche Talon Dual Action: www.chicagoairbrushsupply.com/patagrfeaio.htmlAs for my compressor, I also use a Paasche, the D500SR. www.chicagoairbrushsupply.com/pad5co.htmlAll in all, I really like the whole set up I have, as far as i've used it anyway. Further, Paasche is headquartered here in Chicago, so you have to love that. Also, as you can see by the links I sent, if you're curious about buying an airbrush and want to go get one in person, Chicago Airbrush Supply located at 2417 N Western Ave is a great place to go. Supposedly, they are the only airbrush supply distributor which is not located on the West or east coast. At least, according to them. Anyway, they gave me a pretty good deal on my whole set up and threw in a bunch of extras when I went in. I highly recommend this store! Lastly, as for paints, I've been using the GW air line and think it's turning out pretty well. I did buy Vallejo airbrush primer (both Grey and Black) through Amazon though and find those to be working really well also. Hopefully that's helpful.
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Post by 1D3chan on Jan 20, 2017 17:09:34 GMT -6
Thanks for that info Dave. Asyrean I always wondered to myself "Is the only place to buy Airbrush equipment online" and now I know that there's a location, store and people who are experienced, which is a very tempting resource. Like you, I feel good when someone with a lot of knowledge in something niche goes through options of their stock, something that is kind of a lost art in all of the online purchases of today. Of course, consumer feedback is also great (sometimes better). By the way, how is your 'secret' army that we talked about a while ago coming along?
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Post by Asyrean on Jan 20, 2017 17:24:28 GMT -6
Thanks for that info Dave. Asyrean I always wondered to myself "Is the only place to buy Airbrush equipment online" and now I know that there's a location, store and people who are experienced, which is a very tempting resource. Like you, I feel good when someone with a lot of knowledge in something niche goes through options of their stock, something that is kind of a lost art in all of the online purchases of today. Of course, consumer feedback is also great (sometimes better). By the way, how is your 'secret' army that we talked about a while ago coming along? Definitely check them out! All in all I felt like I had a good experience there. The guy who helped me made sure to give me a discount of some sort when I checked out, and he threw in all kinds of freebies, like cleaning wipes, 2 bottles of sample varnish sealer (it's gloss, so who knows if I'll ever use it, but hey, free is free) and other stuff. Anyway, I highly recommend Chicago Airbrush Supply. As for the secret army, well... it's still very very secret. So secret that even I don't know what the current status is.
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