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Post by theknightmantis on Apr 13, 2016 21:29:51 GMT -6
The current hullabaloo on the internet is that there is some RAW loophole about the Cataphractii Captain being able to ride a bike... and also somehow getting a 2+ FnP with some Iron Hands combos, I think If someone tries to justify a Terminator Capt on a bike they are getting a dick punch.
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Post by 1D3chan on Apr 13, 2016 22:30:48 GMT -6
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Post by theknightmantis on Apr 13, 2016 22:39:16 GMT -6
...OK fair. But man I can not wait to get him.
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Post by dennish on Apr 14, 2016 6:02:35 GMT -6
Hahaha, this post cracks me up. The forums and boards go all nuts about the insta-death str5ap2 gun on that model. Suddenly people get all worried about their Riptides and other Monstrous Creatures. I love the model, attach it to a squad of quys and give them a nice gutting extra punch of power. Especially since the secondary gun can be used as many times as you like.
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Post by 1D3chan on Apr 14, 2016 9:55:32 GMT -6
Hahaha, this post cracks me up. The forums and boards go all nuts about the insta-death str5ap2 gun on that model. Suddenly people get all worried about their Riptides and other Monstrous Creatures. I love the model, attach it to a squad of quys and give them a nice gutting extra punch of power. Especially since the secondary gun can be used as many times as you like. Haha! no don't get me wrong, I think it's cool. I meant that in a "this is random" way. I love the rate that we get new things in this game. It's just one of the most random things I've ever seen in 40K, which is saying a lot. Like...dude this is super random/funny. I think it's because he doesn't have a name and he's free. It's like..."Once thought lost for a thousands of years, a nomadic hero from the dark age of technology appears amongst the ranks once again to disintegrate the enemies of man. His name...Imperial Space Marine. And he's only $30 (plus tax)
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Post by dennish on Apr 14, 2016 10:41:35 GMT -6
Hahaha, this post cracks me up. The forums and boards go all nuts about the insta-death str5ap2 gun on that model. Suddenly people get all worried about their Riptides and other Monstrous Creatures. I love the model, attach it to a squad of quys and give them a nice gutting extra punch of power. Especially since the secondary gun can be used as many times as you like. Haha! no don't get me wrong, I think it's cool. I meant that in a "this is random" way. I love the rate that we get new things in this game. It's just one of the most random things I've ever seen in 40K, which is saying a lot. Like...dude this is super random/funny. I think it's because he doesn't have a name and he's free. It's like..."Once thought lost for a thousands of years, a nomadic hero from the dark age of technology appears amongst the ranks once again to disintegrate the enemies of man. His name...Imperial Space Marine. And he's only $30 (plus tax) Oh I totally agree with the randomness of it! I mean, it makes sense to bring up some publications alongside the 30th anniversary of SM, a model? Why not. But I find it funny that it actually got rules along with it, and decent ones too. I was actually referring to other forum and blog posts I saw about this model, and people are getting so incredibly but-hurt over this model... "Oh gosh no, this thing can take out a riptide in a single shot, if lucky"... well, last I checked Tau & Eldar were tossing around Str D weapons all over the place and no one complained. I just find it ultra funny that people are actually getting nervous about a single dude like this hahaha. Also agree with the speed that these models are released, with new rules. NOW I JUST WANT DECENT IG FORMATIONS DANGIT!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 10:50:12 GMT -6
The imperial space marine is going to be one of those things that changes the course of 1 game out of every 10, and that will upset some people. Its still pretty cool though.
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Post by Nick P on Apr 14, 2016 10:55:51 GMT -6
The current hullabaloo on the internet is that there is some RAW loophole about the Cataphractii Captain being able to ride a bike... and also somehow getting a 2+ FnP with some Iron Hands combos, I think The 2+ fnp I get (gorgon chain, IH character, apothecary, Sons of the Gorgon detachment, and a lucky warlord trait roll); but how do they think it means he can ride a bike? It literally follows the rules for terminator armor to the letter ("cataphractii armor counts as terminator armor [see codex space marines]"), which prevent bike riding.
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Post by 1D3chan on Apr 14, 2016 11:21:15 GMT -6
The current hullabaloo on the internet is that there is some RAW loophole about the Cataphractii Captain being able to ride a bike... and also somehow getting a 2+ FnP with some Iron Hands combos, I think The 2+ fnp I get (gorgon chain, IH character, apothecary, Sons of the Gorgon detachment, and a lucky warlord trait roll); but how do they think it means he can ride a bike? It literally follows the rules for terminator armor to the letter ("cataphractii armor counts as terminator armor [see codex space marines]"), which prevent bike riding. I do not know, I haven't looked into it too much. It's probably just trolling. Maybe somewhere in the regular Terminator Armour Wargear section it specifies that, where in this one it doesn't. Totally irrelevant though in all douche-free zones, which ours is.
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Post by Nick P on Apr 14, 2016 11:46:52 GMT -6
The footnotes for both Jump Packs and Space Marine Bikes under the Wargear list of Special Issue Wargear in Codex Adeptus Astartes: Space Marines reads:
"May not be taken by models wearing Terminator armor. Note that these pieces of wargear are mutually exclusive. For example, a Librarian riding a Space Marine bike may not also take a Jump Pack."
Under the rules for Cataphractii Terminator armor:
"A model wearing Cataphractii Terminator armor counts as wearing Terminator armor."
I think where people are being ridiculous is that that line goes on to say "...for the purposes of transport capacity, the use of teleport homers, and for the purposes of Formation Restrictions."
So they're saying since it doesn't specificy that they count as terminator armor for the purposes of Special Issue Wargear specifically, they get to ride bikes and take jump packs? What a bunch of assfaced cheese dicks.
Its pretty clear to me that they made those special mentions in the wargear sections because they didn't want people going "nuh uh, landraiders can only transport terminators not cataphractii terminators!" or "That formation requires terminators not cataphractii terminators!" etc. But that anyone with half a brain can see that Cataphractii TERMINATOR ARMOR counts as TERMINATOR ARMOR for the purposes of bikes and jump packs, because DUH.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 12:05:39 GMT -6
Well, the good news at least is our group is pretty casual.
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Post by 1D3chan on Apr 14, 2016 12:21:15 GMT -6
Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it. There will always be dudes that get a rise out of exploiting RAW. You should see the one about Blitz Brigade...
We in troll country now.
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Post by dennish on Apr 14, 2016 15:09:35 GMT -6
The footnotes for both Jump Packs and Space Marine Bikes under the Wargear list of Special Issue Wargear in Codex Adeptus Astartes: Space Marines reads: "May not be taken by models wearing Terminator armor. Note that these pieces of wargear are mutually exclusive. For example, a Librarian riding a Space Marine bike may not also take a Jump Pack." Under the rules for Cataphractii Terminator armor: "A model wearing Cataphractii Terminator armor counts as wearing Terminator armor." I think where people are being ridiculous is that that line goes on to say "...for the purposes of transport capacity, the use of teleport homers, and for the purposes of Formation Restrictions." So they're saying since it doesn't specificy that they count as terminator armor for the purposes of Special Issue Wargear specifically, they get to ride bikes and take jump packs? What a bunch of assfaced cheese dicks. Its pretty clear to me that they made those special mentions in the wargear sections because they didn't want people going "nuh uh, landraiders can only transport terminators not cataphractii terminators!" or "That formation requires terminators not cataphractii terminators!" etc. But that anyone with half a brain can see that Cataphractii TERMINATOR ARMOR counts as TERMINATOR ARMOR for the purposes of bikes and jump packs, because DUH. Dude, this shit is exactly the jiz I had to deal with in my last meta in Ohio. Rulesbending till the planet shapes itself flat. I literally played people that would say this crap..."oh, well, since it doesn't specifically say it can't do it, doesn't mean it it's stop it from doing so.." UHHHRG... Well..yeah my lasguns are AP - , meaning they shot through all armor, since no AP value. I hate when people read too much, or read around the rules, when it actually says, very clearly, in black and white. Had the same issues with Fantasy in 7th and 8th edition, and people trying to read too much into the rule for THEIR favor. Specifically...had a unit halfway in a river-bed - therefore no ranks.., fought a horde of Marauders, won combat by 7 wounds..now the guy is telling me, that because I don't have ranks, he get's stubborn...(well now that I think about it, he may have been right LOL) Anyway, glad that it seems people in this forum actually think with their brains!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 15:23:03 GMT -6
Everyone I've played in the CST club just tries to have fun. I personally try to bring strong lists, but pushing for rules to be interpreted for your advantage just doesn't seem like a fun way to play.
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Post by 1D3chan on Apr 14, 2016 18:08:31 GMT -6
Well..yeah my lasguns are AP - , meaning they shot through all armor, since no AP value. i quit
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